UAL Contract Proposal Info

Industry is looking to AA and laughing, thanks to TWU. We are so far from our airlines colleagues that is not funny. Removing Videtich and Gless is not enough to repair the damage.
 
Overspeed said:
That's great but slide 11 is wrong. Per the TWU CBA we get averaged after DOS+36 months so the average at that point which will be DOS+24 AA/US will be at $40.73. I hope they get this!
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You say that with a straight face overspeed? Oh man.....
 
dvlhog212 said:
You say that with a straight face overspeed? Oh man.....
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If you don't want the money that's cool. I'll take it in a few years. Never heard of anyone getting a $4/hour raise in a BK negotiated CBA before. Good thing the pay was backstopped by the wage adjustment clause. Thanks TWU.
 
You do know that we had $38 hour back in 2010 which would have put us at near the $40 mark now. The longevity pay really skews the numbers. You have to have 30 years plus to get an additional $1.50/hourly.
 
I like the $80K buyout option which indicates to me they want to outsource more. I suppose we could propose such an option to buy down the overhaul base capacity that most of you want to get rid of. 
 
The health VEBA sounds scary. I thought that crashed and burned at GM.
 
The SK pay at 100% and 1600 hour max looks good as well too. It is a better deal than ours except for no new work being brought back in. It seems the IBT is fine with the status quo on outsourcing even though they said they are bringing new work back in-house.
 
38/ hr? YOU LIE! That amount would have been for a small number of midnight line mechanics.Please show your math as to how AA/US would be at 40.73.
 
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Now were talking for awhile I didn't think this topic interested anyone.
As far as the comments by Mr. OS, I take them as I always do, just laugh and think "You Can't Fix Stupid".
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dvlhog212 said:
38/ hr? YOU LIE! That amount would have been for a small number of midnight line mechanics.Please show your math as to how AA/US would be at 40.73.
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Not a lie. At least a third of line or 1500 AMTs work midnights. The same can be said for the UAL proposal. You have to have over 30 years to get the $2.50 longevity which is way less than 30%. The average longevity would be for a 20 year AMT (the AA average seniority) of $1.50. It is in what you are comparing. If it is a fully topped out most senior AMT on midnights (highest possible pay) than we would be comparing the same thing. If you want to compare the average topped out AMT then you need to look at a 20 year AMT on late swing. That would not include the MRT and would only include the TWU 2010 TA proposal of the higher line premium so base would be excluded. It looks like in either the TWU 2010 TA the base AO got hit with no line premium whereas the UA AO got hit with no job except for three lines. Pick your poison.
 
UA $42.16 + DL $39.29 (which the slide shows a '?' meaning it could be higher) = $81.45 divided by 2 = $40.73. The Wage Adj clause says fully topped out all premiums average of UA, DL, and US (who are now us). The new average would be
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/19/united-airlines-investors-day/3638145/
 
Read the last paragraph under "efficiency"
I wonder what maintenance processes they are referring to.
 
 
Efficiency
AP writes: "United says it is aiming to burn less fuel, make workers more productive, and improve its maintenance processes. It has been working with its mechanics' union to revamp which maintenance jobs are done by the 2,000 workers at its San Francisco maintenance center, said Greg Hart, who runs the 
airline's technical operations."
 
Overspeed said:
If you don't want the money that's cool. I'll take it in a few years. Never heard of anyone getting a $4/hour raise in a BK negotiated CBA before. Good thing the pay was backstopped by the wage adjustment clause. Thanks TWU.
 
You do know that we had $38 hour back in 2010 which would have put us at near the $40 mark now. The longevity pay really skews the numbers. You have to have 30 years plus to get an additional $1.50/hourly.
 
I like the $80K buyout option which indicates to me they want to outsource more. I suppose we could propose such an option to buy down the overhaul base capacity that most of you want to get rid of. 
 
The health VEBA sounds scary. I thought that crashed and burned at GM.
 
The SK pay at 100% and 1600 hour max looks good as well too. It is a better deal than ours except for no new work being brought back in. It seems the IBT is fine with the status quo on outsourcing even though they said they are bringing new work back in-house.
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Did you ever hear of any Union giving up what the TWU did back in 03 making us the worst compensated in the industry? Then giving up the Pension and job security in Bankruptcy without the judge ruling on the abrogation...
 
MetalMover said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/19/united-airlines-investors-day/3638145/
 
Read the last paragraph under "efficiency"
I wonder what maintenance processes they are referring to.
 
 

Efficiency
AP writes: "United says it is aiming to burn less fuel, make workers more productive, and improve its maintenance processes. It has been working with its mechanics' union to revamp which maintenance jobs are done by the 2,000 workers at its San Francisco maintenance center, said Greg Hart, who runs the 
airline's technical operations."
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Possibly under Terms and Work Rules on pages 20 &21 of company proposal!?!?
Looks very convoluted, and what does Phase 1 discussions mean? Are they expected to sign a deal then talk about specifics?

I'm sure the TWU/IAM will do some great "Harmonizing" when they combine our agreements!
 
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