UA Pullout from JFK - AA Opportunities

[DNTULSA]

Thank all of you for the entertaining posts!

 

[WorldTraveler]

while frugal still tries to remove the word ËXPECTED from my posts in order to try to find some sort of dirt he can throw, AA's premium cabin, low seat density strategy on the JFK transcons looks more tenuous with B6's announcement of further expansion of Mint.


AA announced a premium cabin, reduced density strategy JUST LIKE UA did almost 10 years earlier except on lower CASM 321s. UA's strategy was met with VX's entrance into the market and B6 cheered AA's announcement.

Premium market, niche strategies don't work and LCCs succeed because they are able to attack both parts of that strategy.

AA's 321T strategy can't overcome the competitive assaults on the premium cabin that will grow and the continued additions of capacity by both LCCs and DL which are taking the coach and cargo capacity (in DL's case) that AA chose to walk away from.

add in the very strong likelihood that UA exited JFK because it saw LGA longhaul flying coming and AA is in the worst competitive position of any of the transcon airlines if AA is forced to defend its transcon position from LGA and JFK using a premium cabin aircraft that can't operate from LGA while DL and UA each will have premium cabin strategies at closer in LGA and EWR

and VX might well decide that its LGA slots might be of more value flying to SFO and LAX from LGA than to DAL.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Stop deflecting and attempting to change the subject.
 
The onus is on you to provide proof to back up your fabricated statements:
 

It is doubtful that there are any gates at T4 or that any can be created without DL's involvement.

 

It is fully expected that DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave.

 
Still waiting ... ... ...

 

[WorldTraveler]

You still want to argue because you don't know what words like EXPECT and DOUBTFUL mean.

I never fabricated anything.

you, however, did just that by hand-writing something I write and INTENTIONALLY excluding words.

When you are as desperate to prove someone wrong that you FABRICATE what was said, it won't take long before you fall.

YOU lied. you got caught.

now run off to the somewhere else you were going with your tail between your legs.

 

[LDVAviation]

DL now controls most of the gates in what was the IAB and has an ownership stake in the company that runs it. 

 

I have posted no lies or misinformation.

 
So you don't lie or make things up?  

 
Then what do we have here?
 
http://www.godutch.com/newspaper/index.php?id=1894
 
http://www.schiphol.com/SchipholGroup/NewsMedia/PressreleaseItem/StartOfTheExpansionOfTerminal4AtJohnFKennedyAirportNewYork.htm
 
I quote from the latter:
 
JFK International Air Terminal LLC (JFKIAT), the operator of Terminal 4, is the only private non-airline terminal operator at JFK. JFKIAT is a 100% subsidiary of Schiphol USA, a company within Schiphol Group.
 
In fact, Delta sold its stake in JFKIAT before phase 1 of the expansion.  It seems reasonable to infer that selling the stake was a precondition to Schiphol's financing the expansion.  At the time (2010), this transaction was discussed on airliners.  That must have been after you were banned.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm glad you showed up

I was certain you would sometime today.

Since there might be one kernel of something decent for the 2000 posts that are nothing but kids with fantasies on a.net, not much has been lost.

and the AA-DL badgering has just moved from a.net to forums. Good for the revenues of this site.



thank you for the update on the ownership issue; I still would be surprised if DL does not have the rights to additional gates at T4 if other airlines leave or as their leases come up for renewal.

If you can provide evidence of that either way, let us know.


If there is any evidence of BA moving to T4 which was suggested here or how AA or any oneworld carrier would benefit because of UA's departure from JFK and what this has to do with T4 at JFK, let us know that.

AA might or might benefit from UA's departure from JFK. T4 is certainly not in the least a part of that equation.

 

[700UW]

BUSTED.
 
You are nothing more than a liar.
 
So you made the post, you provide the proof.

Yet someone already discredited you, DL doesnt own nor have a stake in the company that owns Terminal 4.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

thank you for the update on the ownership issue; I still would be surprised if DL does not have the rights to additional gates at T4 if other airlines leave or as their leases come up for renewal.

 
How about growing up and admitting you were wrong about the ownership of IAB?
Why do you continue to pursue this myth that DL has the right(s) to dictate who gets additional T4 facilities?

 

[WorldTraveler]

I noted LDV's updated info regarding the ownership.

you, however, can't accept that because you can't stand to just discuss anything but instead want to beat up whoever dares cross you.

and what you and LDV and no one else has done is to prove that DL doesn't have first right of refusal for any gates that might come available including on its own concourse.

or more significantly how AA or BA will benefit from UA's departure from JFK, esp. regarding T4.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

The Whole Truth is that it is only after you have been caught purposefully LYING, that you started to weasel your way out.
 

The ownership issue is insightful but since I didn't even said affirmatively anything but merely suggested that DL likely has certain rights, no one has proven anything against me.

although they will continue to try.

 
First of all, you have provided 0 evidence that DL has any rights etc. to T4.
 
Second, you stated that DL might have right of first refusal, then continued to state that as a result nothing will happen with DL's blessing.
 

DL might have first right of refusal on any gates that are vacated as well as have a timeline for extending the other concourse at T4.

It is doubtful that there are any gates at T4 or that any can be created without DL's involvement.

 
Knowing that you didn't have a friggin' clue as to the ownership/corporate structure of T4, you couldn't cease and desist, instead you went on to state that it is inevitable that DL will run the show.
 

. It is fully expected that DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave.

 
Spin away!