UA Pullout from JFK - AA Opportunities

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Dunno, but I suspect the Port would make room for them just to be able to raze the building and put up something else that could be better utilized. It's not a very efficient terminal in terms of gates.

 
I would imagine that in addition to gates, BA would want sufficient space for its lounges.
That's what I meant by space in the IAB.
 
It'll be interesting to see if AA/BA work out something where T8 is expanded to accommodate BA and other 1-world carriers, or the port authority works with just BA on a new / renovated terminal 7 for (primarily) BA as is the case today.
 
 

It is doubtful that there are any gates at T4 or that any can be created without DL's involvement.

 
Ah yes, the standard narrative of mighty DL.
Yawn.

 

[WorldTraveler]

all the lounge space in the world means nothing if there isn't gate space.

There is no double standard or any other in noting that DL has a financial interest in the operator of T4. It is fully expected that DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave.

some people think that AA is the only one that could do that at a major airport.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

It is fully expected that DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave.
 

 
Do you have any proof?
Or are you making things up. Again!
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say I have proof.

you once again show that the only thing you can do is to try to defame me.

If you had half of an idea what the word "expect" means, you wouldn't or couldn't post what you do.

just like every other business discussion on this forum, this one will end up accomplishing nothing because a few people where their loyalty on their shirt sleeves and can't discuss business issues but instead focus just on attacking others.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I didn't say I have proof.

you once again show that the only thing you can do is to try to defame me.

If you had half of an idea what the word "expect" means, you wouldn't or couldn't post what you do.

 
So what you're saying is that you don't know what you are talking about.
However, in your zeal to paint a picture of how mighty DL is, you just stated as a fact that DL does indeed run the show at JFK/IAB.
Pointing out the falsehood you type on here (on a more-or-less daily basis)is not defamation.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

just like every other business discussion on this forum, this one will end up accomplishing nothing because a few people where their loyalty on their shirt sleeves and can't discuss business issues but instead focus just on attacking others.

you are the emotionally unstable and revenge filled pariah of this board because you are incapable of engaging in a business discussion and are a singularly focused on defaming me.

When other users decide they are no longer interested in having you around, then we can have a functioning board.

I am going nowhere.

 

[700UW]

You put yourself in the cross hairs with your lies and misinformation.
 
Your constant lies, misinformation and spin causes why people call you out.
 
You lie so much you cant figure out the truth from fiction anymore.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

you are the emotionally unstable and revenge filled pariah of this board because you are incapable of engaging in a business discussion and are a singularly focused on defaming me.

When other users decide they are no longer interested in having you around, then we can have a functioning board.

I am going nowhere.

 
Please stop with the personal attacks and defamation.
If you don't have the mental horsepower to grasp the issues and have an intelligent business discussion, perhaps instead of going nowhere, you should think about some destination where you can go (and be welcomed at).
 
Psst. As I have a life and friends and a job and hobbies, I am going somewhere.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I knew you had to jump in.

I have posted no lies or misinformation.

You are solely driven by your need to try to find fault with me because I am your number one opponent on this forum regarding DL unionization issues.

as long as you and others refuse to accept the market driven decisions including labor of the industry in favor of attacking others, the board will lose.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Please stop with the personal attacks and defamation.
If you don't have the mental horsepower to grasp the issues and have an intelligent business discussion, perhaps instead of going nowhere, you should think about some destination where you can go (and be welcomed at).
 
Psst. As I have a life and friends and a job and hobbies, I am going somewhere.

good... stop the personal attacks.

That's all anyone has asked.

I came to this board today with a dozen posts all citing my name and attempts at defaming me.

you have stayed engaged for an hour trying to defame me.

get lost and let those who can discuss the business decision participate in the forum.

 

[700UW]

When you wake up and realize your lies, misinformation, spin, deflect, change and your own attack on people cause what happens to you.
 
You are the only board member with a negative 10,000 rating and climbing!

 

[WorldTraveler]

when you wake up and realize that your attempts at framing someone else as a liar solely because you can't admit that I have been repeatedly right about one issue after another, then we can have a viable board to discuss meaningful issues of the industry.

in this case and on this topic, it is transitory at best to think that AA can gain much from UA's exit from JFK because AA's premium cabin strategy is a high CASM strategy to serve a market that is facing growing amounts of premium capacity from low fare carriers.

AA walked away from large portions of the coach market and is better off than UA only because AA is using a lower trip cost airplane but has given up much of the CASM advantage by losing freight revenue that it once carried and reducing its total revenues by giving up more coach revenue than it has gained in higher premium cabin revenue.

if UA now supports longhaul flights from LGA - which could well be the case now that UA won't compete from JFK anymore - AA is the carrier that is in the most precarious position in the NYC transcon market.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I have posted no lies or misinformation.

 
Please post / provide evidence that supports your claim that:   "DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave."

 

[WorldTraveler]

Are you sure that you didn't misquote what I said? of course you aren't.

It's no wonder you can't contribute anything because you are more motivated to get revenge than accurately state what was said.

let me help you.

DL now controls most of the gates in what was the IAB and has an ownership stake in the company that runs it. DL still has airlines in T4 that operate on gates in the middle of DL's gates and had leases before DL tore down T3.

DL might have first right of refusal on any gates that are vacated as well as have a timeline for extending the other concourse at T4.

It is doubtful that there are any gates at T4 or that any can be created without DL's involvement.

the most logical step is for BA to gain control of all of T7 or AA to finish building out T8 as it was originally planned if AA wants closer facility cooperation between AA and BA.

you intentionally hand copied what I said so you could try and manipulate the quote.

Shame on you.

Shame

Shame

Shame.

Meanwhile, tell us again what opportunities AA has because UA's decision to leave JFK.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Are you sure that you didn't misquote what I said? of course you aren't.

It's no wonder you can't contribute anything because you are more motivated to get revenge than accurately state what was said.

let me help you.


you intentionally hand copied what I said so you could try and manipulate the quote.
 

 
Allow  me to help you:
 
Dreams of DL greatness - exhibit 1:
 

It is doubtful that there are any gates at T4 or that any can be created without DL's involvement.

 
Narrative of DL's might - exhibit 2:

It is fully expected that DL has clauses in those agreements to gain more space for itself before any other carrier can move from other terminals at JFK or to obtain space if any of the existing carriers at T4 decide to leave.

Now, please stop with the personal attacks and defamation.
Either show (some) proof to back up what you said, or re-state it that you're speculating instead of stating things as a matter of fact.  An apology to the board would be nice too, but that would be too classy for you.
 
PS: I also noticed your attempt to deflect and change the topic at hand.  In that spirit, I'm going to remind everyone, that in addition to the above statements to which you have shown 0 proof, you also once upon a time went on to blabber that the DL-VS JV has already generated more revenue than any other airline partnership, ever!  Yes, I realize it is off topic, but it goes to show to your ability to say anything that paints a certain carrier in a certain way.  Ofcourse, just like you are doing on here, when you were attacked for your blatant lie, you tried the personal attack crocodile tears approach, which fooled nobody.
 
Please, spin away!