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Kev3188
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Not if you're a member of the IAM, IBT, or TWU.....
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Gosh Buck, maybe if you would attend a union meeting there on Pine maybe you would understand how things work. Get involved, then you can have a say-so in what goes on. Until then quit complaining about things. You are part of the problem when you don't get involved.
Ah yes if you would just go to meetings everything would be different.twuer said:
Tell us TWUER, what would going to meetings change?
Would going to meetings get the International to bring us back better contracts?
Would going to meetings enable us to elect the "representatives" who control our contract?
Would going to meetings prevent the International from removing elected officials?
What exactly would going to meetings achieve?
Dont get me wrong, I believe that members should participate however most of the complaints I see aired on this and other forums have to do with issues that are above the Locals jurisdiction and completely out of their control. By "participation" do you mean to become a blind follower or someone who is willing to do more than come and sit in a chair for an hour or two? That gets old. There has to more to it than that but unfortunately with Jim Little and Sonny Hall there isnt. Has the TWU ever called for real participation, like setting up a picket to fight for our rights, or to support others where no one showed up? Not that I've seen. They dont make such calls, it might upset the company. I do remember Jim Little objecting to the fact that we were walking in support of the Flight Attendants. So how would going to a meeting at the local change rectify these problems?
We both know that the lack of attendance at meetings is cited because it gives the leadership the ability to blame the members instead of looking to do a better job.
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Gosh Buck, maybe if you would attend a union meeting there on Pine maybe you would understand how things work. Get involved, then you can have a say-so in what goes on. Until then quit complaining about things. You are part of the problem when you don't get involved.
I am a non-member of the TWU. I am not allowed to attend meetings. This is by choice. I will no longer be involved in a union that has for my entire AA employment history gave concession at every contract negotiations. I only pay dues to the TWU when forced to do so by the contract under Article 38. I am involved in replacing the TWU as my bargaining agent. Who are you to tell me to quit complaining? That is part of the problem with the TWU, the lack of democracy.
When the TWU corrects it's concessions that began in 1983, then and only then will I participate in their process.
Now if it is not to much trouble, if you have an answer to the questions please do so.
Why is it that the entities known as the TWU International, the Air Transport Division and Local 514 believe they are in charge of the membership?
Isn't the membership the supreme authority?
I am a non-member of the TWU. I am not allowed to attend meetings. This is by choice. I will no longer be involved in a union that has for my entire AA employment history gave concession at every contract negotiations. I only pay dues to the TWU when forced to do so by the contract under Article 38. I am involved in replacing the TWU as my bargaining agent. Who are you to tell me to quit complaining? That is part of the problem with the TWU, the lack of democracy.
When the TWU corrects it's concessions that began in 1983, then and only then will I participate in their process.
Now if it is not to much trouble, if you have an answer to the questions please do so.
Why is it that the entities known as the TWU International, the Air Transport Division and Local 514 believe they are in charge of the membership?
Isn't the membership the supreme authority?
Buck's question. . .
Why is it that the entities known as the TWU International, the Air Transport Division and Local 514 believe they are in charge of the membership?
Well Buck. . .I wasn't aware that they were. :huh: But I will look into that for you. What makes you say that Buck? Enlighten me. . .
Another quote by Buck. . .
When the TWU corrects it's concessions that began in 1983, then and only then will I participate in their process.
Tell me Buck, did you choose to participate when we got the industry leading contract not so long ago? Or did you forget about that?
Come on Buck. Take some responsibility for your own actions. Past and present. We do have a democratic system in place. You aren't happy with it so you find faults in it. Instead of doing something to better the cause you hide and what was it you said. . .I am a non-member of the TWU. (and) I only pay dues to the TWU when forced to do so by the contract under Article 38. I guess AMFA has absolutely nothing wrong with it. Squeaky clean. And I have some swamp land in Arizona to sell too.
Why is it that the entities known as the TWU International, the Air Transport Division and Local 514 believe they are in charge of the membership?
Well Buck. . .I wasn't aware that they were. :huh: But I will look into that for you. What makes you say that Buck? Enlighten me. . .
Another quote by Buck. . .
When the TWU corrects it's concessions that began in 1983, then and only then will I participate in their process.
Tell me Buck, did you choose to participate when we got the industry leading contract not so long ago? Or did you forget about that?
Come on Buck. Take some responsibility for your own actions. Past and present. We do have a democratic system in place. You aren't happy with it so you find faults in it. Instead of doing something to better the cause you hide and what was it you said. . .I am a non-member of the TWU. (and) I only pay dues to the TWU when forced to do so by the contract under Article 38. I guess AMFA has absolutely nothing wrong with it. Squeaky clean. And I have some swamp land in Arizona to sell too.
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The TWU International Constitution, maybe you should read it sometime. You have been enlightened.
You mean the industry leading contract when the B-scale was created?
Or was it the SRP classification? Or the Junior Mechanic debacle? Or the latest round when A&P mechanics were forced to OSM postions and have their license premiums removed, only to be allowed to work as labor loans as the work deemed necessary.
Or is it the very large wage increase the only those at the top of the payscale received, that the AMFA members at NWA fought for and won at the PEB?
What has the TWU done for our profession? That is if you are of the craft and class.
You mean the industry leading contract when the B-scale was created?
Or was it the SRP classification? Or the Junior Mechanic debacle? Or the latest round when A&P mechanics were forced to OSM postions and have their license premiums removed, only to be allowed to work as labor loans as the work deemed necessary.
Or is it the very large wage increase the only those at the top of the payscale received, that the AMFA members at NWA fought for and won at the PEB?
What has the TWU done for our profession? That is if you are of the craft and class.
I am a non-member of the TWU. I am not allowed to attend meetings. This is by choice. I
Why this thread Buck? At your own admittance you are a non-member by choice. Are you upset we do not care about non-members Buck? We do, and we continue to support you whole heartedly, we would jump over three dues paying brothers Buck to assist you if needed. We like you Buck, why the animosity?
Have a great Holiday Season Buck!
Why this thread Buck? At your own admittance you are a non-member by choice. Are you upset we do not care about non-members Buck? We do, and we continue to support you whole heartedly, we would jump over three dues paying brothers Buck to assist you if needed. We like you Buck, why the animosity?
Have a great Holiday Season Buck!
Buck said:
Well not answering questions is one of the traits that can be expected from the unaccountable.
I'm still waiting for a rebuttal on an issue. They say they want to talk issues but then avoid them. You mentioned other things but they zero in on the personal thing about your objector status.
Well I got involved, and I offered solutions. Solutions to the overall structure and solutions to the lack of democracy and transparency that drives members away from their own union.
Tell me Team TWU did you ever hear about how I was pushing for an accountable, accurate voting system for the Convention that would allow the members to see exactly how every delegate voted on every vote? Bobby Gless wanted to use it for his "re-election" platform. Is that dual unionism? I sent it out to every President I could find on the TWU website. Do you think the members should have such insight? Or would such information "weaken" the union, and if so, explain.
Did you also hear about the letters I wrote to John Sweeney, Sonny Hall, Buffenbarger and Hoffa explaining why mechanics were looking to go to AMFA three years ago and how the unions could better serve their members so they would not want to leave? Did you know that this plan was to include all workers, not just mechanics? Did you know that I spoke to Sonny Hall face to face about this just this past MAY in his office. This was after I had made posts that he claimed constituted dual unionism, yet he said nothing about it then? Once again he agreed that merging the three ATDs was a good idea. He blamed those below him for preventing such a thing from happening even though he admitted that it would be better for the workers. Is it dual unionism to encourage the leadership to explore combining their ATDs in order to unite all the airline workers into one union-change from within?
