TWU revote, is it all for show. Is there a chance for change?
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On 4/22/2003 12:17:26 AM FA Mikey wrote:
The TWU the at this point the union with the more intelligent leadership. How scary is that? Will a revote, change anything? What is the likelihood for a rejection by the members?
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On 4/22/2003 12:17:26 AM FA Mikey wrote:
The TWU the at this point the union with the more intelligent leadership. How scary is that? Will a revote, change anything? What is the likelihood for a rejection by the members?
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Mikey;
Good question.
My prediction
THIS IS "NOT" WHAT I WANT,BUT WHAT I PREDICT)TWU; Because I, and other members, of this weak union, are surrounded by many "kool aid drinkers", I predict that AA will get another YES vote by a VERY narrow margin.
APA; I will not be surprised if APA exec. board does NOT ALLOW a revote. Even if they do, I predict that AA will get another YES vote. (Too many republicans) !!!
Ah but,
APFA: I predict APFA(THE ONLY REAL UNION ON THE AA PROPERTY) will vote "NO" 65/35 %
While all the regular''s on this board know my preference for ANY "NO" vote, allow me to "bore" everyone with the reason.
Carty should have shrunk this company(ala CRANDALL) LOOONG ago, BEFORE the word bankruptcy ever left his lips !!
Hey, the way things are going, "mabey" it will be Uncle Bobby who winds up doing just that.
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On 4/22/2003 9
44 AM WXGuesser wrote:
I really think that everything depends on APA''s decision at this point. If they decide to go for a revote, I''m thinking management will just simply say: "The contract has been rejected" and file for BK. After all, the financing is apparently all lined up.
They don''t need the union''s or the employees''s permission.
TANSTAAFL
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On 4/22/2003 9
44 AM WXGuesser wrote: I really think that everything depends on APA''s decision at this point. If they decide to go for a revote, I''m thinking management will just simply say: "The contract has been rejected" and file for BK. After all, the financing is apparently all lined up.
They don''t need the union''s or the employees''s permission.
TANSTAAFL
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Hmm, then all this revoting is all for naught. Hmm.
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The margin is small, but don''t overlook the apathy wildcard with the TWU vote. For whatever reason, there was only a 71% voter turnout (approx 24800/34500). Even if some of them were due to not having a PIN or having problems, I''d be asking why there was still that low of a turnout compared to the APFA and APA.
I really think that everything depends on APA''s decision at this point. If they decide to go for a revote, I''m thinking management will just simply say: "The contract has been rejected" and file for BK. After all, the financing is apparently all lined up.
They don''t need the union''s or the employees''s permission.
TANSTAAFL
They don''t need the union''s or the employees''s permission.
TANSTAAFL
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On 4/22/2003 10:00:15 AM eolesen wrote:
The margin is small, but don''t overlook the apathy wildcard with the TWU vote. For whatever reason, there was only a 71% voter turnout (approx 24800/34500). Even if some of them were due to not having a PIN or having problems, I''d be asking why there was still that low of a turnout compared to the APFA and APA.
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On 4/22/2003 10:00:15 AM eolesen wrote:
The margin is small, but don''t overlook the apathy wildcard with the TWU vote. For whatever reason, there was only a 71% voter turnout (approx 24800/34500). Even if some of them were due to not having a PIN or having problems, I''d be asking why there was still that low of a turnout compared to the APFA and APA.
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OK ERIC, "I''ll buy that".
So as usual, It will come down to the ONLY REAL UNION on the property, "APFA" !!!!!
Lets wager lunch, at the "Tavern on the Green"(central park NYC) I say they vote "NO", and I''ll spot you 1000 votes .
???
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I''ve been to TotG once, and didn''t like it. How about Lenny''s over in Howard Beach? That''s probably all that either of us can afford at this point...
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Let me rephrase that FULLY FUNDED
So you are saying that even when things were going to hell AA officers dreamed up a plan that they would be in their $$$$$$$ bunkers while we die on their behalf.
American Airlines officers and NOT the employees are to blame for this entire mess. They fund a GUARENTEED pension plan, while the labor groups are unsure if theirs will ever exist. The officers and NOT the employees are GUARENTEED after departure medical, dental, prescription plans, travel, LIFETIME Admirals Club membership in some cases and a ton of other benefits.
No concessions should be made by any labor group until their pension is secure as the executive group. If this means the 45+ plan is removed with “NO†chance of AMR renewing it OR if the labor groups involved have theirs FUNDED and GUARENTEED, that’s great.
Mr. Carty, comment?
So you are saying that even when things were going to hell AA officers dreamed up a plan that they would be in their $$$$$$$ bunkers while we die on their behalf.
American Airlines officers and NOT the employees are to blame for this entire mess. They fund a GUARENTEED pension plan, while the labor groups are unsure if theirs will ever exist. The officers and NOT the employees are GUARENTEED after departure medical, dental, prescription plans, travel, LIFETIME Admirals Club membership in some cases and a ton of other benefits.
No concessions should be made by any labor group until their pension is secure as the executive group. If this means the 45+ plan is removed with “NO†chance of AMR renewing it OR if the labor groups involved have theirs FUNDED and GUARENTEED, that’s great.
Mr. Carty, comment?
