TWU Jim Little: I have saved the membersd from themselves!
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As the TWU Leadership has now deprived the union members of a voice and legitimate vote in their future, Jim Little, in the quote below appears to claim he has single handedly saved us from ourselves.
http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stori....12f4a4b23.html
What kind of union would cave to a demand that the members be deprived of a vote?
The Chapter 11 filing will likely happen anyway and that would have bought the company and the union members the time needed to legitimize this process and the agreement.
Now, we will have lawsuits, and live under a legitimate agreement for many years.
The TWU International President Sonny Hall has made many comments about the election for the President of the United States of America.
One thing is for sure. This contract ratification vote did not have any hanging or pregnant chads, but when the ATD Director has made public statements comfirming this ratification vote was not credible and then denies the members the guaranteed right to a voice in the ratification process, I think removal of the dictator controlled union is automatic.
http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stori....12f4a4b23.html
Jim Little, head of the air transport division of the Transport Workers Union, wouldn't comment on Mr. Carty's departure but said he accepted the new deal because bankruptcy would be worse.
Based on these considerations and on the commitments made yesterday, our union will honor last week's vote in order to protect our members, he said. We must do everything in our power to limit exposure of our contracts and our members in bankruptcy proceedings.
Based on these considerations and on the commitments made yesterday, our union will honor last week's vote in order to protect our members, he said. We must do everything in our power to limit exposure of our contracts and our members in bankruptcy proceedings.
What kind of union would cave to a demand that the members be deprived of a vote?
The Chapter 11 filing will likely happen anyway and that would have bought the company and the union members the time needed to legitimize this process and the agreement.
Now, we will have lawsuits, and live under a legitimate agreement for many years.
The TWU International President Sonny Hall has made many comments about the election for the President of the United States of America.
One thing is for sure. This contract ratification vote did not have any hanging or pregnant chads, but when the ATD Director has made public statements comfirming this ratification vote was not credible and then denies the members the guaranteed right to a voice in the ratification process, I think removal of the dictator controlled union is automatic.
dic•ta•tor
Pronunciation: (dik''tA-tur, dik-tA''tur),
—n.
1. a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2. (in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.
3. a person who authoritatively prescribes conduct, usage, etc.: a dictator of fashion.
4. a person who dictates, as to a secretary.
Pronunciation: (dik''tA-tur, dik-tA''tur),
—n.
1. a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2. (in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.
3. a person who authoritatively prescribes conduct, usage, etc.: a dictator of fashion.
4. a person who dictates, as to a secretary.
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On 4/24/2003 9:56:19 PM WXGuesser wrote:
And the damn shame of it is, Little is right.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Tsk.
TANSTAAFL
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That's DANG if you do and Danged if ya don't!On 4/24/2003 9:56:19 PM WXGuesser wrote:
And the damn shame of it is, Little is right.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Tsk.
TANSTAAFL
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Are you saying that Little is right to take the democracy away from the membership? He stated last week that the membership would be voting again. Then he votes for them.
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If Jimmy Little had turned this down, he would be lambasted (as the F/A's are being now) as the "man who forced AA to Chapter 11." You don't think the majority of the TWU (who voted yes on the old T/A) would be calling for his head just as loud?
Now that Jimmy Little has made the decision to accept the revised T/A (which is better than what you voted on in the first place (I would say we, but I didn't get to vote), people are turning their pitchforks and torches they were preparing for Carty (before he fell on his sword) and turning them on him.
Darned if you do, darned if you don't...
If ANY of you would get your head out of the "pseudo-righteous anger" clouds for just a minute, you would realize that most of the people in this country think you are complete and utter fools for wanting this airline to go into BK. *They* realize that this house is burning down around our ears.
WHY DON'T WE???????????
GAAAH!!!
TANSTAAFL
Now that Jimmy Little has made the decision to accept the revised T/A (which is better than what you voted on in the first place (I would say we, but I didn't get to vote), people are turning their pitchforks and torches they were preparing for Carty (before he fell on his sword) and turning them on him.
Darned if you do, darned if you don't...
If ANY of you would get your head out of the "pseudo-righteous anger" clouds for just a minute, you would realize that most of the people in this country think you are complete and utter fools for wanting this airline to go into BK. *They* realize that this house is burning down around our ears.
WHY DON'T WE???????????
GAAAH!!!
TANSTAAFL
RV4,
"TWU Jim Little: I have saved the membersd from themselves!"
Come on! Why are you trying to spin what he said? That is not the quote! I understand you have another agenda, let it go for now.
This has nothing to do with industrial vs. Craft unions. There is a basic question here. Do we want to try and save this company we all have invested so much of ourselves in or not. It does not matter what union was in here during this process. Two or three years ago everybody was saying how the TWU should get a union like the pilots. Well now everyone is saying that all three of the unions suck! Give me a break, this is a bad situation no matter who is representing us!
"TWU Jim Little: I have saved the membersd from themselves!"
Come on! Why are you trying to spin what he said? That is not the quote! I understand you have another agenda, let it go for now.
This has nothing to do with industrial vs. Craft unions. There is a basic question here. Do we want to try and save this company we all have invested so much of ourselves in or not. It does not matter what union was in here during this process. Two or three years ago everybody was saying how the TWU should get a union like the pilots. Well now everyone is saying that all three of the unions suck! Give me a break, this is a bad situation no matter who is representing us!
I don''t want to go into bk either but how many times does the company have to cry
wolf before we stop running and hiding. Now they are going to give the f/a''s til
Monday to change their mind. Don''t you see how much this company has to hide?
They are lying sacks of doodoo trying to scare everyone into gutting their own
contracts.
With all of the catastrophes that have happened in the last two years a bk will
not carry as much stigma if it is filed now. AA is making so much on cargo and
nobody has any clue as to the revenue generated. They always reference labor
cost as per passenger seat mile but how many of us have checked flights only
to find they were weight restricted.
TWU 562 is still going to court on the 28th to get our vote rescinded because
of all the improprieties and I pray to god we get to revote. Either way this deal
now is still going to fuel alot of animosity toward the company.
wolf before we stop running and hiding. Now they are going to give the f/a''s til
Monday to change their mind. Don''t you see how much this company has to hide?
They are lying sacks of doodoo trying to scare everyone into gutting their own
contracts.
With all of the catastrophes that have happened in the last two years a bk will
not carry as much stigma if it is filed now. AA is making so much on cargo and
nobody has any clue as to the revenue generated. They always reference labor
cost as per passenger seat mile but how many of us have checked flights only
to find they were weight restricted.
TWU 562 is still going to court on the 28th to get our vote rescinded because
of all the improprieties and I pray to god we get to revote. Either way this deal
now is still going to fuel alot of animosity toward the company.
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On 4/25/2003 1:07:30 AM Brad wrote:
RV4,
"TWU Jim Little: I have saved the membersd from themselves!"
Come on! Why are you trying to spin what he said? That is not the quote! I understand you have another agenda, let it go for now.
This has nothing to do with industrial vs. Craft unions. There is a basic question here. Do we want to try and save this company we all have invested so much of ourselves in or not. It does not matter what union was in here during this process. Two or three years ago everybody was saying how the TWU should get a union like the pilots. Well now everyone is saying that all three of the unions suck! Give me a break, this is a bad situation no matter who is representing us!
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This has everything to do with industrial v. Craft unions! It is about membership control versus dictator control.On 4/25/2003 1:07:30 AM Brad wrote:
RV4,
"TWU Jim Little: I have saved the membersd from themselves!"
Come on! Why are you trying to spin what he said? That is not the quote! I understand you have another agenda, let it go for now.
This has nothing to do with industrial vs. Craft unions. There is a basic question here. Do we want to try and save this company we all have invested so much of ourselves in or not. It does not matter what union was in here during this process. Two or three years ago everybody was saying how the TWU should get a union like the pilots. Well now everyone is saying that all three of the unions suck! Give me a break, this is a bad situation no matter who is representing us!
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Jim Little himself, in a letter to James Klopp, then Local 567 Officer, stated that according to our Constitution, any letter of agreement that changes the basic language of our contract requires ratification by the membership.
This letter was in response to a motion made at the Presidents Coucil to modify the By-Laws. Jim Little, explained that the motion was not allowed because the TWU Constitution already had a member ratification requirement.
And now, with that knowledge, the man just violated the TWU Constitution.
Your writing is evidence of your TWU training and inability to comprehend.
IF WE ARE THE UNION, WHO IS THE TWU?
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RV4 Give it a break!
Little did the right thing! I give him credit and he did what was right under the circumstances! He was not alone!
Thanks for your Time! TWU Solidarity 2003
Little did the right thing! I give him credit and he did what was right under the circumstances! He was not alone!
Thanks for your Time! TWU Solidarity 2003
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On 4/25/2003 10:08:17 AM Checking it Out wrote:
RV4 Give it a break!
Little did the right thing! I give him credit and he did what was right under the circumstances! He was not alone!
Thanks for your Time! TWU Solidarity 2003
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So when a member violates the TWU Constitution by "unbecoming conduct", which you have proven includes excercising his/her right to change unions, you would hold a Kangaroo Court and place him/her in "Bad Standing" for three years. You strip this member of his/her right to run for office, the right to attend membership meetings, the right to vote in officer elections for a three year period, all punishment for violating the TWU Constitution.On 4/25/2003 10:08:17 AM Checking it Out wrote:
RV4 Give it a break!
Little did the right thing! I give him credit and he did what was right under the circumstances! He was not alone!
Thanks for your Time! TWU Solidarity 2003
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But when Jim Little deprives ALL members in "good standing" the right to a legitimate vote on contract terms, which is a clear violation of the TWU Constitution, he "DID THE RIGHT THING"?
I hope you get the chance to tell that to a Federal Judge!
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On 4/25/2003 4:59:22 AM kimmyg wrote:
AA is making so much on cargo and
nobody has any clue as to the revenue generated
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On 4/25/2003 4:59:22 AM kimmyg wrote:
AA is making so much on cargo and
nobody has any clue as to the revenue generated
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134 million in the first quarter, unchanged from last year. It is actually one of the easier figures to find out as it is broken out from the other numbers in the financial statements.
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