Tulsa's AMT's can make things better

[comatose]

As you sport your new avatar you may want to remain silent to avoid getting a bad taste in your mouth....need a mint?

I thought it had a very nice resemblance of Chicken Little.
You know him, mister fight like hell.

 

[proAMT]

All I am saying is that Tulsa's AMT's and related have a HUGE opportunity to become large fish in a small pond rather than minnows in an ocean. Most members I talk with don't like the IBT. It took SWA AMT's two weeks to have enough cards to oust the IBT. Why? SWA AMT's haven't even been knocked about like we have.

This week I talked to a AMT at UAL and he said that they should have given AMFA a better chance. He told me the IBT spent a lot of money campaigning and telling UAL AMT's everything they wanted to hear but to date have not came through for them, that they were good at collecting dues but other than that getting nothing done. IBT took over at Horizon and the AMT's there have already tried to get rid of them missing that goal by a handful of votes.

Piss away a good opportunity at your peril. Tulsa's AMT's and related will NOT be the largest local at the Teamsters and will NOT have much of a voice with the Teamsters. They will however have a thinner wallet. By changing to AMFA Tulsa's AMT's will be the largest local in AMFA and as such would have more say in what goes on than ever before. It would be likely that many National officers would come from Tulsa.

If your too scared to lead than by all means cast your vote for the IBT and allow others, people who don't know the business end of a wrench, do the thinking for you. I want someone who knows what I go through on a daily basis fighting for me.

Your choice....

 

[riceweevil]

It's nice to have a choice for a change but here are a few points to ponder and why I believe in the end Tulsa's AMT's will make our chosen industry better rather than worse


1) The TWU is not opposing a raid by the Teamsters (IBT).
Why is the TWU unopposed to the IBT raiding its membership? You deserve an honest answer.

2) AA’s AMT’s would pay higher dues and would represent an even smaller percentage of the IBT then the TWU. Why do you want less influence than you already have?

3) IBT’s International Representatives are appointed-isn’t that one of the principle complaints we already have against the TWU? That Jim Little has too much power? Do you think Jimmy Hoffa has any less?

4) Like the TWU the IBT’s negotiating sessions are closed to the membership.
Why the locked doors? AMFA’s members are allowed to witness negotiations in person.

5) As AMFA Local 12 the AMT’s at the Tulsa maintenance base would own the largest local in AMFA. If Tulsa’s AMT’s are unhappy you can bet the attention of AMFA’s National would be focused on their concerns or there would be consequences.

6) As the largest local in AMFA Tulsa would be in the unique position of throwing its weight around when it came to elections for National positions. Yes, AMFA’s officers are selected not by the leadership but by the union membership.

7) In AMFA there is a process available to have any officer recalled, national or local. It has happened in the past and will happen in the future. If their not working for your best interest they can be booted out and you don’t have to wait three years to do it.

8) Alaska and Southwest AMT’s have good contracts compared to ours. In fact our actions (accepting less) make it harder for their AMT’s to negotiate better terms. AMFA’s performance raises standards the TWU’s lack of performance lowers standards.

9) AMFA would not use AA AMT’s as a platform to unionize other work groups at American. Though the IBT swears they won’t does anyone believe them? In the past the TWU has pandered to other work groups in order to entrench themselves. They have even used the names of dead people.

10) Flight Engineers used to be TWU-think they ever regretted switching over to a craft union? The Flight Attendants, former TWU, how many do you know that are ready to switch back?

If you’ve already filled out a Teamster card, no worries, fill out an AMFA card also. The last time we had an election for representation was 1948. Think we're overdue?

Looks like someone has been drinking the amfa kool-aid.

 

[riceweevil]

All I am saying is that Tulsa's AMT's and related have a HUGE opportunity to become large fish in a small pond rather than minnows in an ocean. Most members I talk with don't like the IBT. It took SWA AMT's two weeks to have enough cards to oust the IBT. Why? SWA AMT's haven't even been knocked about like we have.

This week I talked to a AMT at UAL and he said that they should have given AMFA a better chance. He told me the IBT spent a lot of money campaigning and telling UAL AMT's everything they wanted to hear but to date have not came through for them, that they were good at collecting dues but other than that getting nothing done. IBT took over at Horizon and the AMT's there have already tried to get rid of them missing that goal by a handful of votes.

Piss away a good opportunity at your peril. Tulsa's AMT's and related will NOT be the largest local at the Teamsters and will NOT have much of a voice with the Teamsters. They will however have a thinner wallet. By changing to AMFA Tulsa's AMT's will be the largest local in AMFA and as such would have more say in what goes on than ever before. It would be likely that many National officers would come from Tulsa.

If your too scared to lead than by all means cast your vote for the IBT and allow others, people who don't know the business end of a wrench, do the thinking for you. I want someone who knows what I go through on a daily basis fighting for me.

Your choice....

Funny, I recently talked to a UAL mechanic who said their recent IBT contract was a GOOD one and much better than the one we now have at AA.

 

[riceweevil]

You just don't get it, few are willing to spend $400 more a year for the same contract for the next 6 years. Not surprising that you believe that the Teamsters can open up the contract, you also believed in what 514 was telling you.
Let me ask you this, if the Teamsters are proven to be liars about opening up the contract, will you still support them?

You just don't get it. amfa cannot get an election without major support from TULE TULE will probably not sign enough cards for either the IBT or amfa but either group is going to have to have the support of TULE. The line stations cannot do it alone until AA outsources most of the AO work which will take at least a couple of years. AA Line MXS may have enough numbers in 3 years to overcome the sheer numbers at TULE but right now it is just a pipe dream to write-off TULE from the card count.

 

[MCI transplant]

Funny, I recently talked to a UAL mechanic who said their recent IBT contract was a GOOD one and much better than the one we now have at AA.

Ha!--- You're not saying one hell of a lot brother!

 

[odie01]

Amfa/Amp/Ibt have no chance at AA. Give it up!! Put your efforts into something constructive!!!!

Why does the minority always want to cram their agenda down our throats?

In Solidarity,

CIO

You have your six to ten year deal, why are you so worried about AMFA?
Don't you find it odd that every line station and AFW and DWH voted NO and TUL was the only yes? That should tell you something, if your a logical thinker? GFY!

 

[Tulsamechanic9]

You have your six to ten year deal, why are you so worried about AMFA?

LMAO no one is worried about AMFA & you know it.
that was funny though.

 

[AA89]

LMAO no one is worried about AMFA & you know it.
that was funny though.

Keep lifting your dress ladyboy.
Look at the other airlines,
That is your future.
Your coffeepot shop job will be gone shortly.

 

[AA89]

You Tulsa assclowns better mix up a fresh batch of hillbilly koolaid. As soon as the early outs are gone you're gonna lose most of your yes votes.
Whose gonna carry the group hug twu/ibt then?

 

[4A Mechanic]

Hey CIO, why is the TWu always trying to push their agenda down our throats. It's time for change, NOW!

 

[xUT]

Keep lifting your dress ladyboy.
Look at the other airlines,
That is your future.
Your coffeepot shop job will be gone shortly.

IMHO, AA will be using the UA template.

Back shops will be gone almost immediately (3-9 months),

Tooling will be given to MRO's and your training department will teach them how to use and maintain them to AA specs until AA dumps their maintenance program and relies on the OEM documentation (which doesn't work).

Don't be shocked if AA already has MRO's to take your work 'tomorrow'. UA shut down INDY in a day, anything can happen.

You'll probably keep what engine work you have but don't be shocked when vendors move into the building and take some of your work.
(Don't blame them, the membership voted for it).

Plan for the worst, hope for the best!
My Best Regards to you all at AA!

Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[odie01]

Mechanics at AFW realize that the Teamsters were put in play by the twu to water down the AMFA drive, that by the way, is building mountum with the support of our twu local president. Two of the teamsters organizers were confronted by Larry two weeks ago at Schlotskys and were told NO THANKS. Although some IBT cards are being signed, those same people are siging AMFA cards, and we are educating them on the scam the twu is trying to pull with the teamster drive.
I am confident we will get more cards than we ever have at AFW with the help of our local, and we now have more organizers than we have ever had in the past with the AMP and AMFA drives. I hope Tulsa is doing the same. If your not involved, this is the time get off your ### and do whats right.

Good Luck and Get involved, this Will be the last drive

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[swamt]

It's nice to have a choice for a change but here are a few points to ponder and why I believe in the end Tulsa's AMT's will make our chosen industry better rather than worse


1) The TWU is not opposing a raid by the Teamsters (IBT).
Why is the TWU unopposed to the IBT raiding its membership? You deserve an honest answer.

2) AA’s AMT’s would pay higher dues and would represent an even smaller percentage of the IBT then the TWU. Why do you want less influence than you already have?

3) IBT’s International Representatives are appointed-isn’t that one of the principle complaints we already have against the TWU? That Jim Little has too much power? Do you think Jimmy Hoffa has any less?

4) Like the TWU the IBT’s negotiating sessions are closed to the membership.
Why the locked doors? AMFA’s members are allowed to witness negotiations in person.

5) As AMFA Local 12 the AMT’s at the Tulsa maintenance base would own the largest local in AMFA. If Tulsa’s AMT’s are unhappy you can bet the attention of AMFA’s National would be focused on their concerns or there would be consequences.

6) As the largest local in AMFA Tulsa would be in the unique position of throwing its weight around when it came to elections for National positions. Yes, AMFA’s officers are selected not by the leadership but by the union membership.

7) In AMFA there is a process available to have any officer recalled, national or local. It has happened in the past and will happen in the future. If their not working for your best interest they can be booted out and you don’t have to wait three years to do it.

8) Alaska and Southwest AMT’s have good contracts compared to ours. In fact our actions (accepting less) make it harder for their AMT’s to negotiate better terms. AMFA’s performance raises standards the TWU’s lack of performance lowers standards.

9) AMFA would not use AA AMT’s as a platform to unionize other work groups at American. Though the IBT swears they won’t does anyone believe them? In the past the TWU has pandered to other work groups in order to entrench themselves. They have even used the names of dead people.

10) Flight Engineers used to be TWU-think they ever regretted switching over to a craft union? The Flight Attendants, former TWU, how many do you know that are ready to switch back?

If you’ve already filled out a Teamster card, no worries, fill out an AMFA card also. The last time we had an election for representation was 1948. Think we're overdue?

Brother, you guys are way over due. Just like you said, just ask any of the F/A's if they would want to change back to the TWU. Get a union in at AA that is crafted to represent mechanics by mechanics. Look around at the industry all the pilots and F/A's at almost ALL the carriers are going to a craft union for themselves.
Don't be like the UAL boys and girls, they screwed up bad. They listened to all the teamsters lies and they are stuck with them now and doing another AMFA card drive to remove the teamsters, we warned them... Give AMFA a try guys you won't be disappointed, once you guys get a taste of AMFA, mechanics running mechanics union, you will not look back. Most all of you will say "we should have done this years ago" like 1993. As we all said here at SWA. Good luck to all you guys and I hope you all pull it off.

 

[swamt]

You just don't get that AMFA will never get enough cards, their is to much diversity at AA and AMFA doesn't have the resources to motivate all the different factions to sign a card or to reach the soon to be laid off employee's, Teamsters are the only organization that have a chance so better get more Teamster cards signed before the Layoff & forget about AMFA.
Also Teamsters say they can & will reopen the contract once they get in read up on it. ;-)

Are you kidding me. You actually believe that?? Just ask all the UAL boys how this exact promice from the teamsters is working out for them. teamsters said same thing to them and they cannot re-open their after all.
You guys are stuck with what you have for the 6 years. What the teamsters are not telling you is the company has to agree 100% to re-open, and they won't-they just got what they wanted. Keep dreamin brother, the teamsters have you brain washed with their lies.