Good deal, what the hell are you smoking - oh that's right it's a good deal for Tulsa and that's all you care about.
Tulsa MD-80 "Pulse Line" Frozen
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<_< So your 45 with kids! Well, the last bunch that went to the street here were in their in their 50's, with kids in college, and had nowhere to go because of the TWU, and Kasher!!!!! :angry:
Get Over It Already
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Spare us the theatrics. They had nowhere to go because Icahn raped you of your pensioins and left a shell of an airline.
Blaming the TWU and Kasher for your predicament is like blaming an ER doctor for a end-stage AIDS patient's death.
I thought AMR sold Sabre?
Amazing isnt it? Back in 2003 the company said they needed to reduce costs, the union could either agree to concessions or lose heads. When the negotiators said "roll heads" the company backed off and said they could not reduce headcount that much and run their business. However since that time they have reduced headcount by more than that number and plan to reduce it even more. That means that instead of $620 million or whatever the figure was they got more than double.
So despite the fact that the company reduced their TWU labor costs by more than double of what they demanded in 2003 the TWU is still joined at the hip with the company in their union busting JLT program. In this program the TWU is working with the company in order to give the company productivity gains with nothing in return for the members. Of course the International will still get theirs despite Littles claims at the last Presidents council meeting where there was some discussion on the topic.
I wonder if Jim still tells those guys about his "masters degree"?
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<_< Spare us the sarcasm ass #$%^! Icahn didn't strip us of our seniority! These people had over twenty years on the job! How much time did you say you have punk???
Tell the truth now. The fact is you still have what you had at TWA, which is full seniority at your bases (STL and MCI). Those who got laid off at MCI and STL can't use their TW seniority against nAAtives at nAAtive bases (except in 25% cities where TWAers put nAAtives on the street). If you would have been "stripped" of your seniority, all TWAers everywhere would have 4/10/01 seniority and all those nAAtives now on the street would have been able to push ALL of the TWAers out of STL and MCI and onto the street.
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<_< Again aa----- Let's both tell the truth! We couldn't push anyone to the street if we had our seniority because "YOUR PROTECTED!" We're not!
Which by the way, I have no doubt, will be one of the first things to go at the next opportune moment! I'm not getting into another one of these pissing match's! We've all been there, more than once! My opinion on this subject is well known! So I'll leave it at that! So if you want to rant and rave about how us big bad TWAers getting on rented school bus, and caming down to TUL, MIA, or somewhere else, to steal your jobs! Go right ahead! All I alluded to was that I feel there is a moral injustice about a 50 year old, that has been on the job for twenty years plus, being forced to the street! While some ass @#$% in TUL says "let IT GO"!!!!
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B.O.B, the article was written in 1994.
In addition to the layoff in 93 I experienced a layoff at a FBO before working at AA and a strike at Boeing. Somewhere along the way I realized the aviation industry is a tough, unforgiving business and if you want to be part of it you better be prepared for the bad times. Sounds like your unwilling to come to grips with realitites of this business. I know it is late in life but you might want to consider a different line of work until you reach those retirement years.
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TULE was around at AA long before MCI was even heard of.
AA for that matter,has been around much longer than TWA.We AA employees can't help that Carl Icahn raided your former company of any valuable assets and AMR management was dumb enough to buy the NON-PROFITABLE remains of TWA.
The marriage of AA and TWA was doomed from the start as AMR management has yet figured out how to run a profitable airline.The current stock price does not mean squat as related to how well AA is operated.It just means that AMR executives are experts at manipulating the stock prices.
TULE could easily become AAR Services-AMR Services-Singapore Air or numerous other interested parties in the purchase of the Miantenance Center.It is known info that GE has courted AA for several years to purchase the TEO operation and Honeywell has tried to purchase the CAM Avionics operation.All AMR management has to do is pull the trigger if the CFO tells them to do so.
There AIN'T no guaranteed job at TULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LGA Fleet Service
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Ummmm No or something...
Do a little research into the history of this business.Pan Am and TWA were in the 50's, 60's and 70's what American and United are today.
The Beatles didn't fly American into Idlewild did they? :blink:
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Do your own research, sir. AA has been around longer, and also flew to Europe before TWA did.
Unshakeable fact #1: Lindberg flew for AA before TW even existed.
Unshakeable fact #2: TULE opened in 1946.
Unshakeable fact #3: American Export Airways (separate company from AA at the time) started flying NYC-Ireland in 1942, and eventually merged with AA in Nov 1945, becoming American Overseas Airlines, a division of AA.
Unshakeable fact #4: TWA's entry into Europe wasn't until 1946.
Unshakeable fact #5: TWA went bankrupt three times. They should have gone bankrupt several times before that, and would have had Hughes not stepped up to the plate with money from ToolCo or his own pocket.
AOA was sold to Pan Am in 1950, which is one of the reasons TWA was what it was in the 1950's and 1960's. Hughes was absolutely hated in Washington, and had AOA and Pan Am remained in competion with each other, TWA would have probably remained locked out of the transatlantic market.
TWA may have had more visibility over the years, without going back to check annual reports from the 50's and 60's, I believe AA has alway been larger.
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Oops
Those Unshakeable facts regarding AA/TWA history should put and end to the thread topic about a Frozen Pulse Line in Tulsa.
Sometimes, I think we should have one long thread about anything and everything.
That is kind of what we do here anyway.
Those Unshakeable facts regarding AA/TWA history should put and end to the thread topic about a Frozen Pulse Line in Tulsa.
Sometimes, I think we should have one long thread about anything and everything.
That is kind of what we do here anyway.
Ken MacTiernan
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Ah, a made up back ground for a made up name. PRICELESS!
You gave your part when concessions were accepted for you by the twu. I applaud you!
You have done your part. Now what about the continued attrition? How long will you go for the "long term" without recalls and management hirings?
eolesen
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You're correct about the attrition without recalls, but in the past year, there have been 60 management hired off the street into maintenance, 47 of them being analysts or engineers in TUL. That leaves 13 for the rest of the system, Ken. Hardly what I'd call rampant hiring off the street. So, anyone else was alread on payroll, either as an AMT or elsewhere in management. If you're seeing something different, PM me and give me specifics. Anything else is a bucket of prop wash.
