Tulsa /Airbus

[iluvaa]

LIAR 700 said that ain't true and he was on the NC you know

 

[scorpion 2]

Could be just the twu in collusion with the company trying to put fear into a yes vote. First 400 over manned so they agree to 7 day coverage to keep everyone working now 100 more because an MD 80 line going away. They have never put out a letter when a line gets shut down if the mechanics are just moved to another line.     

 

[Overspeed]

Wrong, I know of a certain B check being done at a so called maintenance base. Parkers cronies are in charge now. If you don't like it, grieve it we've been told.

 
All the checks (PS, Daily, Weekly, Overnight, AC, PS, S, Q, etc...) are just labels. A LC could be done on the line if it was planned that way. It's just where an airline choses to do it and how they break it up. Look at SWA and how they do their checks.
 
Besides, we don't know if the future AA maintenance program will look like with the US guys in charge. US looks like they run a stripped down program compared to old school AA.

 

[700UW]

Nothing stripped down, it's an annual C on 767s, A330 and the 757. Everything else is airbus narrow body and they get a C1 through C12 and an S-check after 6 years, the Cs are the S-check broken into 12 checks.

 

[BigMac]

http://m.tulsaworld.com/business/aerospace/changes-coming-for-workers-at-spirit-american-airlines-tulsa-facilities/article_16162543-1990-5e04-aef8-d665d3f29b94.html?mode=jqm

 

[BigMac]

3 years of changes at AA

The 5,700 employees at the American Airlines maintenance base are still learning just what changes will come as they adjust to the companys December merger with US Airways. Additionally, workers are concerned about how they will be affected by a $40 billion jet order from 2011 that revamps the companys entire fleet.

Shortly after Americans bankruptcy filing in 2011, the company threatened to cut as many as 2,000 of its then 7,000 positions in Tulsa. A concessionary contract signed by maintenance union workers in 2012 helped save almost all of those jobs, but American still reduced its workforce here by 1,300 jobs since the end of 2011.

American Airlines Chief Operating Officer Robert Isom said American Airlines new leadership, including CEO Doug Parker, doesnt plan to change the Tulsa bases role in the air carriers maintenance plans.

Our view is hey, look, we are going to need all of the folks we got in Tulsa, he told the Tulsa World. Who knows if we will need more, but we certainly need everyone we got there.

I think that the kind of work that we have, whether its the heavy maintenance side or the engines, is going to keep people gainfully employed there for a long time.

Americans workforce in Tulsa has declined primarily because of the phasing out of the McDonnell Douglas Super 80 fleet. The company has 137 of those left in the fleet and most should be out of service by the end of 2017, although the company will keep a few on until the aircraft reach the end of its usability to the airline.

New aircraft being ordered by American Airlines wont need heavy maintenance until after five to seven years of use. The question then is how much work will be required on new aircraft, such as the 260 Airbus 320 series planes now arriving at the airline.

Isom said he understands the apprehension that comes with a merger and the questions about new managements commitment to the Tulsa facility.

From a heavy maintenance perspective, there is no doubt in my mind that we are going to focus so much of our attention there (Tulsa), he said. As well, when you think about new engines, new engine technology, I think there is another opportunity there.

Isom said he has been working with Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett and Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin on what can be done to help American Airlines in Tulsa. That could include improvements to the city-owned facilities which now house the airlines Technical Operations facilities.

In November 2012, Tulsa County voters rejected a $386 million package that would have raised sales tax to fund improvements to city-owned facilities near Tulsa International Airport. Much of that would have gone to upgrade Americans facilities, including repairs to the site and modifications that would have enabled servicing larger aircraft.

 

[TWU informer]

 
AA people are working on US aircraft and vice versa already on the line. We treat each others aircraft like we are working as a contractor for the other. Therefore any work that is done by each other is treated as outsourced work under each others CBA scope clause. That being said both sides are limited on how much work they do under those clauses. I don't know why management would want to outsource work to a higher labor cost area than a TIMCO or AAR though.
 
Under AA's current maintenance program the first C is due every 24 months. TUL is probably gearing up for that work.

Are you that stupid?
 
Insourced work counts against and reduces the outsource percentage.
 
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, it's best of both worlds., one Airlines outsource is the other's insource. And TAESL has already established the precendent.
 
Stupid is as Stupid does.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't know why management would want to outsource work to a higher labor cost area than a TIMCO or AAR though.
 

With each post you reveal more and more about yourself and your motives. It was never about defending the TWU or Tulsa, only defending their actions when giving management everything they wanted.

First off you have no idea what it would cost AA to have that work done by Timco or AAR, both of whom are shorthanded and unable to do any more than they are, secondly if you truly were about defendong Tulsa you would cite the fact that even if it did cost more it would be worth it because unlike when planes come back from those places planes from Tulsa go out and earn revenue instead of getting stuck in a line station reworking what they screwed up.

 

[Bob Owens]

3 years of changes at AA

Shortly after Americans bankruptcy filing in 2011, the company threatened to cut as many as 2,000 of its then 7,000 positions in Tulsa. A concessionary contract signed by maintenance union workers in 2012 helped save almost all of those jobs, but American still reduced its workforce here by 1,300 jobs since the end of 2011.

"Almost All"? What kind of math do they use at the Tulsa World? 1300 out of 2000 are gone, thats 65% gone, 35% "saved". Not even close to ""almost half" let alone "almost all".

 

[Overspeed]

Nothing stripped down, it's an annual C on 767s, A330 and the 757. Everything else is airbus narrow body and they get a C1 through C12 and an S-check after 6 years, the Cs are the S-check broken into 12 checks.

 
You really know nothing about maintenance programs.
 
Running the two programs side by side AA touches the aircraft far more than what is required by the OEM. Compared to AA, the US program is totally stripped down to OEM minimum spec.

 

[Overspeed]

With each post you reveal more and more about yourself and your motives. It was never about defending the TWU or Tulsa, only defending their actions when giving management everything they wanted.

First off you have no idea what it would cost AA to have that work done by Timco or AAR, both of whom are shorthanded and unable to do any more than they are, secondly if you truly were about defendong Tulsa you would cite the fact that even if it did cost more it would be worth it because unlike when planes come back from those places planes from Tulsa go out and earn revenue instead of getting stuck in a line station reworking what they screwed up.

 
I already posted links to articles that state there is plenty of capacity in the MRO North America system and the cost advantage they have over AA inhouse. It's no secret.
 
LHT is planning on opening a new MRO in SJU because the labor market is so plentiful and PR wants new employers. There is no shortage.
 
I am kind of hoping you and GP push the new management on your MRO capacity prowess. I want to see who wins the battle. Parker or you.

 

[Overspeed]

Contractually as long as there are two Operating Certificates and two CBA, AA cant overhaul US' planes yet and vice versa.
 
And I think you are confusing the SOC (Single Operating Certificate) which is given by the FAA which isnt going to happen to next year and the SCS (Single Carrier Status) which is done by the NMB.
 
For example at US the PMHP and PMUS couldnt fly each others planes as they didnt have a JCBA even though they were under the same union, with two different CBAs and one Single Operating Certificate.

 
Uh AA can overhaul any aircraft it can perform under its 145 Repair Station License even US aircraft. SOC has nothing to do with AA working on US aircraft in overhaul as an MRO. We have done FedEx, AS, Allegiant, Synergy, Avitas, and Air Canada to name a few. Maintenance is completely different from flying. You don't know what you are talking about on this subject.
 
As long as the work sent to AA is done under the MH cap in the IAM CBA, AA can do the work under their 145 license.

 

[Overspeed]

Are you that stupid?
 
Insourced work counts against and reduces the outsource percentage.
 
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, it's best of both worlds., one Airlines outsource is the other's insource. And TAESL has already established the precendent.
 
Stupid is as Stupid does.

 
Speculating.
 
AA and US are owned by the same holding company. Doesn't really make sense to utilize a cap that was created to allow work to be sent outside to save cost by bringing in more work from one of its own airlines.
 
As 757s park, if TAESL doesn't get more outside work, they may be on life support in a short time.
 
Insourcing is a good thing since it keeps people working. Who cares what color the tail is if it pays the bills?