TSA New Directive (CREWS)

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

The worst part is that unless I have misunderstood the directive--and since I worked for the government years ago, I'm pretty good at deciphering the gobbledygook--both deadheaders and non-revvers will have to go back outside security and come back through.

Tell me it ain't so!

Why should a non-revver, or any airline employee that has already gone through security at one airport -- have to leave the sterile area and go back through security at a connecting airport? Regular passengers don't have to do this!

I know -- this is the guvmint we're talking about so...

And OMG -- who has TIME to go back through security -- AGAIN!!! It's bad once, and then to connect, let alone with delays and now, security, again?!? And there's some airports that don't let airline employees that are not "on duty" use the "fast lane", either.

Jees...who didn't think this one through very well? I'd like to tie him to my roll-a-board and take him for a ride through all of this BS! Oh, and then make them go to work, too.

This is out of hand.

 

[aredeeyou22]

Well, I know that TSA at STL still does random "at the gate" screening from time to time. Granted, most of the time you could probably get away with not going through re-screening, and unless you are one of the crewmembers that goes out of your way to p*ss off the gate agents when you are working, I'm sure they would not squeal on you. BUT, if you got caught, the penalties would be the same as if a passenger sneaked into the secure area without going through screening--not good.

Fair enough, Jim, but again, even if I p*ssed off the gate agent, how will they know if I went thru re -screening or not? Something isn't right here.... Where is the validation that the process has been completed? Still confused.... :unsure:

 

[jimntx]

I repeat...99% of the time you would probably get away with not rescreening--and, no, I have no idea how the agent might know. But, do you want to risk your freedom and your job for that 1%?

For all I know, the agents may be required to ask if you cleared re-screening. Maybe they'll come up with a cute little 3 page form we will also have to fill out at the checkpoint to present to the agent before they can allow us to board.

I gather that the airlines themselves are not happy about this, either. If they have you scheduled to work a leg, deadhead a leg, and then work another leg, you might be the one delaying that second flight because the 3rd flight will have to cancel if you don't get there.

It's even more difficult for me because I often commute home to Dallas on SWA because Love Field is closer to my home than DFW, and SW has a 2130 departure from STL to DAL--our latest flight to either Dallas airport departs at 1845. Up until now it hasn't been a problem because I just walk the unused Concourse D which connects Main Terminal which AA uses with East Terminal which is SWA's terminal. Does this mean I will have to go outside and clear security at the East Terminal? I guess I'll find out when I get back from vacation at the end of the month.

 

[Art at ISP]

Not to throw more fuel on the fire, but just make all employees go through actual screening and eliminate the checkpoints which allow them to avoid the screening. I see crews go through the same security we do all the time--where are they able to not do that?

If they are already in a "sterile" environment, I do not see how anyone is any safer by rescreening them, if they had been screened properly in the first place.

Sorry but it seems like the lesser of three evils.

 

[Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways]

Sorry but it seems like the lesser of three evils.

You've lost me Art -- what are the other two evils???

 

[aredeeyou22]

I repeat...99% of the time you would probably get away with not rescreening--and, no, I have no idea how the agent might know. But, do you want to risk your freedom and your job for that 1%?

For all I know, the agents may be required to ask if you cleared re-screening. Maybe they'll come up with a cute little 3 page form we will also have to fill out at the checkpoint to present to the agent before they can allow us to board.

I gather that the airlines themselves are not happy about this, either. If they have you scheduled to work a leg, deadhead a leg, and then work another leg, you might be the one delaying that second flight because the 3rd flight will have to cancel if you don't get there.

Seems strange that they would release such a policy with no means of actually enforcing it.... wait, no it doesn't....

 

[jimntx]

Seems strange that they would release such a policy with no means of actually enforcing it.... wait, no it doesn't....

Are you kidding? They could take some of the Thousands Standing[/b] Around[/b] at the checkpoints and put them on random secondary screening at the gates. Or, they might just "in the interests of National Security" hire a bunch more people. With the government, there is always a way--well, except to do anything you want them to do.

 

[singh4us]

My understanding of the directive is the crewmembers/deadheaders, commuters, non-rev employees are not to bypass TSA checkpoints to get to their flights. ie: you may not enter a sterile SIDA area via baggage rooms, ramp areas, etc to gain access to an aircraft. If you're non-reving or commuting, you must go through the TSA security checkpoint. This is an outcome of the incident a few weeks ago when a non-rev airline contract employees boarded a flight from MCO-SJU without having gone thru TSA security; whereas they smuggled guns and drugs onboard the aircraft.

 

[N965VJ]

This is great window dressing put upon a demographic that really has no say in the matter, not that regular PAX get it easy.

“Look, the Government is doing something to protect us! I feel safer.â€￾

You know where this will look really silly? MCI.

 

[wench1]

Are you kidding? They could take some of the Thousands Standing[/b] Around[/b] at the checkpoints and put them on random secondary screening at the gates. Or, they might just "in the interests of National Security" hire a bunch more people. With the government, there is always a way--well, except to do anything you want them to do.

To
Screw
All

 

[Art at ISP]

You've lost me Art -- what are the other two evils???

I was being semi facetious.

The other two are to make everyone get screened, and God forbid, another incident.

I am in no way saying that one of our bretheren might be involved in an incident, just that if such a loophole stayed open, our enemies would find a way to exploit.

Not knowing much about employee screening, I am staying on the sidelines, but it seems sensible for any employee getting on an airplane to be screened, and that loopholes around that be closed.

I hope the true interpretation is what Singh4US is saying..sounds a little better, no?

Then again--if it is unmanageable, perhaps someone in Tempe thought of it........

Sorry couldn't resist.

My best to you all....

 

[FWAAA]

My understanding of the directive is the crewmembers/deadheaders, commuters, non-rev employees are not to bypass TSA checkpoints to get to their flights. ie: you may not enter a sterile SIDA area via baggage rooms, ramp areas, etc to gain access to an aircraft. If you're non-reving or commuting, you must go through the TSA security checkpoint. This is an outcome of the incident a few weeks ago when a non-rev airline contract employees boarded a flight from MCO-SJU without having gone thru TSA security; whereas they smuggled guns and drugs onboard the aircraft.

I agree with your reading - IMO, it doesn't require all crew to exit the sterile area for re-screening; it just prevents crew from bypassing TSA security at their base (which is certainly possible now).

 

[jimntx]

I agree with your reading - IMO, it doesn't require all crew to exit the sterile area for re-screening; it just prevents crew from bypassing TSA security at their base (which is certainly possible now).

That's what I thought also. But I just talked with a friend of mine at Frontier Airlines. Her company's interpretation is that non-rev commuters and deadheaders DO have to exit the SIDA and be rescreened before continuing. I hope they are misinterpreting.

 

[A320 Driver]

Who cares...they will just rescind it in another month anyway like they do ALL of their stupid ideas when they don't work. If there was a willful security breach, then prosecute them! Make an example out of them! Don't re-invent the wheel.

I'll show up for my deadhead at a reasonable time, get in the back of the line. When I miss the flight, I go HOME!

What's not to like about THIS picture?

A320 Driver

 

[autofixer]

Amen...and I will look for the longest line to wait in, just to make sure I miss my flight and go home or to the hotel.