My prediction is that ALPA will give something, but not anything near what the company is asking. The bottom line is that they're basically asking for EVERYTHING. If that's the way they want to play, ALPA should let them go chapter 11. Can't really get much worse. Even Chapter 7 may not be worse, if assets get acquired or other airlines hire the remaining folks. Looks like the company wants what's left of the pilot retirement, wants pilots to work EVERY day they legally can, AND furlough more folks in ALL groups. SHUT THE DOORS, IT'S OVER! :blink: