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The latest contract information we have received here in DFW is that don vittles with the backing of his sidekick little jim have again chosen to undermine the M&R negotiation committee.donnie felt the need to help his corporate brothers out and give them a little more time.We are not surprised here in the least as a local 565 member overheard one of his phone calls last year,donnie first asked if any members were around then started his diatribe about how gerard was not happy about some things going on around here.There isn't any sense in addressing the international cesspool anymore we are well beyond that.We need to have this next AMR friendly contract become the catalyst to move in a new direction.If the pilots and flight attendants can start there own union I see no reason why we can't.
 
The latest contract information we have received here in DFW is that don vittles with the backing of his sidekick little jim have again chosen to undermine the M&R negotiation committee.donnie felt the need to help his corporate brothers out and give them a little more time.We are not surprised here in the least as a local 565 member overheard one of his phone calls last year,donnie first asked if any members were around then started his diatribe about how gerard was not happy about some things going on around here.There isn't any sense in addressing the international cesspool anymore we are well beyond that.We need to have this next AMR friendly contract become the catalyst to move in a new direction.If the pilots and flight attendants can start there own union I see no reason why we can't.

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There isn't any sense in addressing the international cesspool anymore we are well beyond that.We need to have this next AMR friendly contract become the catalyst to move in a new direction.If the pilots and flight attendants can start there own union I see no reason why we can't.

There are THREE reasons we can't start our own union. REASON ONE: TULSA,OK :down: REASON TWO:MCI :down: and THREE:THE NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD :down: . If someone could have come up with a plan to remove these three roadblocks, we would have had our own union years ago.
 
There are THREE reasons we can't start our own union. REASON ONE: TULSA,OK :down: REASON TWO:MCI :down: and THREE:THE NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD :down: . If someone could have come up with a plan to remove these three roadblocks, we would have had our own union years ago.

Princess, MCI is soon to be history perhaps, the NMB wouldn't be a problem with an overwhelming vote, and Tulsa would not have been a problem had del Femine not given the mechanics the notion they were some manner of gods.

AMFA's creator forgot that the toes he stepped on were connected to the asses he had to kiss later for assistance if he wanted any support for his so-called union.

Rule 1 - A new union must be for all employees.

Rule 2 - Instead of trying to create a "super-class" of mechanics only, stick with issues such as what Little Jimmy is doing to the TWU's membership and how they are in bed with AMR Corp.

Those two little (sorry) rules are what kept the "for" votes low.

If somebody said to you "Hey, we want to replace your current bargaining agent with this one, and after we get your vote and our outfit is voted in, we'll treat you like crap, even though you voted for us".

That is exactly what happened in Tulsa. That is what kept the number of cards down where it was plausable there weren't enough. del Femine was a damned idiot for doing what he did leading up to the failed card drive.

Now that McFarlane is recruiting a union person's nemisis, the scabs, at Northworst Air because AMFA is going bust, it's doubtful a dogcatcher would have AMFA for representation.

I believe a union should be for all's benefit and not just a single group - that's why I didn't sign a card before and until there's none of the "I'm better than you" crap, I will not.

Power is in numbers, regardless of what many were led to believe.
 
Princess, MCI is soon to be history perhaps, the NMB wouldn't be a problem with an overwhelming vote, and Tulsa would not have been a problem had del Femine not given the mechanics the notion they were some manner of gods.

AMFA's creator forgot that the toes he stepped on were connected to the asses he had to kiss later for assistance if he wanted any support for his so-called union.

Rule 1 - A new union must be for all employees.

Rule 2 - Instead of trying to create a "super-class" of mechanics only, stick with issues such as what Little Jimmy is doing to the TWU's membership and how they are in bed with AMR Corp.

Those two little (sorry) rules are what kept the "for" votes low.

If somebody said to you "Hey, we want to replace your current bargaining agent with this one, and after we get your vote and our outfit is voted in, we'll treat you like crap, even though you voted for us".

That is exactly what happened in Tulsa. That is what kept the number of cards down where it was plausable there weren't enough. del Femine was a damned idiot for doing what he did leading up to the failed card drive.

Now that McFarlane is recruiting a union person's nemisis, the scabs, at Northworst Air because AMFA is going bust, it's doubtful a dogcatcher would have AMFA for representation.

I believe a union should be for all's benefit and not just a single group - that's why I didn't sign a card before and until there's none of the "I'm better than you" crap, I will not.

Power is in numbers, regardless of what many were led to believe.



Using your logic Goose. Do you really think the pilot's and the flight attendants would want to join this new union? Show me a single instance where AMFA treated "other" members "like crap". You can't and you know it. The carpenters,electricans,plumbers,etc. all have their own unions. Why not the mechanics? Goose,you're just one of those hypocrites who wouldn't sign a card because you were a TWU koolaid drinker. Now that you have sobered up from your TWU drunkeness, you see that the TWU led you to the path of your own destruction.

Oh, by the way the NWA strike was the last stand for the mechanics in this god forsaken industry. Where the hell were you,Goose, when we needed you? (Deleted by Moderator.) That's for sure. What is going on now at NWA is irrellevant. It's already too late for us. Those guys at NWA have moved on to other careers. Technically any mechanic that is still working in the airline industry is now a scab. AA mechanics started the trend with the 1983 contract and it's been going downhill ever since.
 
Using your logic Goose. Do you really think the pilot's and the flight attendants would want to join this new union? Show me a single instance where AMFA treated "other" members "like crap". You can't and you know it. The carpenters,electricans,plumbers,etc. all have their own unions. Why not the mechanics? Goose,you're just one of those hypocrites who wouldn't sign a card because you were a TWU koolaid drinker. Now that you have sobered up from your TWU drunkeness, you see that the TWU led you to the path of your own destruction.

Oh, by the way the NWA strike was the last stand for the mechanics in this god forsaken industry. Where the hell were you,Goose, when we needed you? I didn't see your TWU lovin ass on the picket line. That's for sure. What is going on now at NWA is irrellevant. It's already too late for us. Those guys at NWA have moved on to other careers. Technically any mechanic that is still working in the airline industry is now a scab. AA mechanics started the trend with the 1983 contract and it's been going downhill ever since.

You made many incorrect assumptions about me and what I support, but you have proven a point with your answer.

The old saying refers to catching more flies with honey than with vinegar. I see many are still trying to prove otherwise.
 
Princess, MCI is soon to be history perhaps, the NMB wouldn't be a problem with an overwhelming vote, and Tulsa would not have been a problem had del Femine not given the mechanics the notion they were some manner of gods.

AMFA's creator forgot that the toes he stepped on were connected to the asses he had to kiss later for assistance if he wanted any support for his so-called union.

Rule 1 - A new union must be for all employees.

Rule 2 - Instead of trying to create a "super-class" of mechanics only, stick with issues such as what Little Jimmy is doing to the TWU's membership and how they are in bed with AMR Corp.

Those two little (sorry) rules are what kept the "for" votes low.

If somebody said to you "Hey, we want to replace your current bargaining agent with this one, and after we get your vote and our outfit is voted in, we'll treat you like crap, even though you voted for us".

That is exactly what happened in Tulsa. That is what kept the number of cards down where it was plausable there weren't enough. del Femine was a damned idiot for doing what he did leading up to the failed card drive.

Now that McFarlane is recruiting a union person's nemisis, the scabs, at Northworst Air because AMFA is going bust, it's doubtful a dogcatcher would have AMFA for representation.

I believe a union should be for all's benefit and not just a single group - that's why I didn't sign a card before and until there's none of the "I'm better than you" crap, I will not.

Power is in numbers, regardless of what many were led to believe.
<_< ------- Goose, don't be an #### (edited by Moderator).! We may be on our way out, but we may be arround long enough to help either vote this contract in, or turn it down!!! :shock:
 
:cop: Watch the language and the namecalling/personal attacks, gentlemen. Summertime, and the livin is easy. Fish are jumpin' and the cornfield is high. :lol:
 
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Goose,excellent post.Things are always in a state of change.Just because we were derailed a few years ago is no reason to say it can never be done.I think some people are underestimating the guys in Tulsa,everyone has a breaking point.Even though the cost of living is better than the line stations,they are getting fed up with the self serving, twu dogs dining with their master and throwing them a table scrap.
 
Where's AMFAMAN and the mighty mouse? It's been a while since I've visited this site. I think that Little Jim A.K.A Putin has issued a gag order. What happened to free speech in this country? I like hearing their point of view. It's a sad situation we are experiencing. Donnie Vittles obviously has earned his tenure while eating his way to the top of the communist empire. When I first transfered to DFW and Donnie wasn't so BIG, I witnessed him telling a union brother that he was not interested in the communist empire. 2 weeks from that day he was selling his sole to Putin. With that personal experience being said I have no doubt that Donnie Vittles will do whatever serves his interest and not those that were unable to elect him into his position. (The communists appoint people who bow to the master....Putin). When will the Putin servants rise up to the communist empire and realize that we live in the United States? We do have a choice, the communists kept our voice from being heard a while back but with the doom of Donnie Vittles secret deals coming upon us, hopefully we can join together again and rise up against these demons.
 
Power is in numbers, regardless of what many were led to believe.

If "power is in numbers" then how come we are not powerful?

I'll answer that. Because although we may be many we are not united.

The Dispatchers are a small group. It takes less time to become a dispatcher than it does an A&P yet they earn considerably more than we do.

The dispathers are all in one Local.

Numbers matter, but other factors are important as well.

A thousand of one group may not be as powerful a hundred of another. There are fewer dispatchers than A&Ps so they can command a higher wage.

Scarcity is what gives workers power. When you combine numbers and unity you can effectively create scarcity which is what unions should do. Instead of a company employing 10,000 workers who all act independentlya union creates a single block of 10,000 workers. The larger the group in relation to the supply the more leverage they have. If there are only 1000 workers available with the skillset needed and the company is bargaining with a group of 10,000 unified workers then that group is in an extrememly powerful position.


Currently there arent many mechanics out there. Many of the recall notices were rejected. We still have guys with many years simply quitting at a rate unseen before. The A&P schools have not been turning them out, many have even shut down. The company announced a major layoff , offered VBRs but, with the exception of MCI, is denying many of them. If they are laying guys off why not let them all go? Thanks to NWA, if we were united and threatened to strike the company could not replace enough of us to keep the operation going.

We have numbers, we have scarcity but unfortunately we have Jim Little.
 
Princess, MCI is soon to be history perhaps, the NMB wouldn't be a problem with an overwhelming vote, and Tulsa would not have been a problem had del Femine not given the mechanics the notion they were some manner of gods.

AMFA's creator forgot that the toes he stepped on were connected to the asses he had to kiss later for assistance if he wanted any support for his so-called union.

Rule 1 - A new union must be for all employees.

Rule 2 - Instead of trying to create a "super-class" of mechanics only, stick with issues such as what Little Jimmy is doing to the TWU's membership and how they are in bed with AMR Corp.

Those two little (sorry) rules are what kept the "for" votes low.

If somebody said to you "Hey, we want to replace your current bargaining agent with this one, and after we get your vote and our outfit is voted in, we'll treat you like crap, even though you voted for us".

That is exactly what happened in Tulsa. That is what kept the number of cards down where it was plausable there weren't enough. del Femine was a damned idiot for doing what he did leading up to the failed card drive.

Now that McFarlane is recruiting a union person's nemisis, the scabs, at Northworst Air because AMFA is going bust, it's doubtful a dogcatcher would have AMFA for representation.

I believe a union should be for all's benefit and not just a single group - that's why I didn't sign a card before and until there's none of the "I'm better than you" crap, I will not.

Power is in numbers, regardless of what many were led to believe.
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It's interesting that even after the drive is over you still seem to believe the lies the TWU told you.

As far as Dell stepping on peoples toes what did AMFA or Dell do to the flight attendants or the pilots the at NWA the only group that had a axe to grind was the ramp IAM in fact years earlier the iam struck at Ozark and AMFA honored their lines so please lets deal with reality

The fact is that AMFA is the only real alternative to the industrial unions like the TWU IBT IAM ETC and you believe the myth that the mechanics think they are some manner of gods. This was created by the industrial unions to divide to save their own asses
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Now I don't have the time or the energy to try to undo all the lies told by the industrial unions but here are a few things to consider.

1 There were more than enough cards signed and I should know because I was 1 of 4 men who delivered them 3 suit cases full to the NMB

2 The men and women at NWA deserve our respect because it was their win at the PEB that got us the raises that we still have today.

3 O.V. Dell Femine is a great man and he does not owe you me or anyone else an apology for his actions he worked tirelessly for more than forty years spent thousands of dollars of his own money and is generous to a fault all in the name of the working man and to have someone to come on here and question what he’s done is laughable.

4 You say that MCI will soon be gone just goes to show just how little you know about the process anyone currently laid off from MCI or gets laid off now that does not retire is a eligible voter in any future election.

5 Finally the fact that you and others like you continue to come on here and say that the mechanics think they are gods and that we would not have represented all the mechanic and related had we won the election that should have been run is a slap in the face to myself and the other organizers who ran the AMFA drive. The men and women I worked with in the organizing effort our honorable hard working people who profoundly believe In the rights of all working people you would be dam lucky to have them represent you/ Myself I spent 6.5 years others have spent more than a decade trying to rid you of the TWU When you decide to spend some of your time and money drop me a email a check and a card await and I don’t care who you pick..
 
There are THREE reasons we can't start our own union. REASON ONE: TULSA,OK :down: REASON TWO:MCI :down: and THREE:THE NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD :down: . If someone could have come up with a plan to remove these three roadblocks, we would have had our own union years ago.

If you can overcome reasons 1 and 2 (i.e. persuade your peers to exercise their democratic vote for your plan) I'll support you with #3.
 

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