The year of the hated: Clinton and Trump, two intensely disliked candidates, begin their face-off

[xUT]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-year-of-the-hated-clinton-and-trump-two-intensely-disliked-candidates-begin-their-face-off/2016/05/08/76a87ce2-13bd-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
 

You wouldn’t know it from talking to each candidates’ supporters, who see only one reality — they hate the other choice — and who seem oblivious that much of the nation is defining this election by watching with dismay and deciding whether to bother to participate.

 
Read the rest... B)

 

[cltrat]

I don't remember an election where even one candidate was so disliked much less both.

 

[Kev3188]

Me either...

Shame this won't spark some very real discussions about changing the way we do elections in this country...

 

[townpete]

Me either...
Shame this won't spark some very real discussions about changing the way we do elections in this country...

Change to what?

 

[700UW]

Take the money out of it and get rid of the electoral college.

 

[Kev3188]

*Overturn Citizens United

*Get rid of the Electoral College

*Get rid of delegates and super delegates

*Either eliminate primaries, or at least make them all open

I would also like to see proportional representation in this country, but am not holding my breath.
*

 

[xUT]

* Get rid o lobbyists.
(Give POTUS a decent salary for a POTUS. A CEO (and board members) of a large company makes $30 Million + a year and we pay our POTUS $400K.)

 

[Kev3188]

* Get rid o lobbyists.
(Give POTUS a decent salary for a POTUS. A CEO (and board members) of a large company makes $30 Million + a year and we pay our POTUS $400K.)

Also not a bad idea.

 

[xUT]

I don't remember an election where even one candidate was so disliked much less both.

 
I do...
But yes, there wasn't/isn't one swinging dick/chick I would 'want' to vote for.
The real terrible and sad event is there is no one I can vote against as they all suck in some form.
B) xUT

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Change to what?

 
Get RELIGION....OUT  of Politics !   ( aka....Thomas Jefferson ).
It's NOT Rocket Science !

 

[townpete]

*Overturn Citizens United
*Get rid of the Electoral College
*Get rid of delegates and super delegates
*Either eliminate primaries, or at least make them all open
I would also like to see proportional representation in this country, but am not holding my breath.
*

So you want to get rid of the electoral college, but want proportional representation?

You do know that's what the purpose of the electoral college is right?

Otherwise you would have heavily populated states impose their will on less popular states.

Read and learn:

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:"

 

[Kev3188]

Try reading that as a list of options.

Or don't.

 

[townpete]

Try reading that as a list of options.

Or don't.

 
What does the map on the left tell you?
 

 

[eolesen]

Funny, the only time I hear people wanting to get rid of the proportionality that the electoral college offers is when the largely populated states are threatened by "fly-over country".

The changes I'd like to see in our political system would be:

A) real term limits (no more than 10 years in any one public office), including SCOTUS and other bench appointments
B) a plurality requirement added to win an election for a national office (even if it means having two R's or two D's in a run-off for a US Rep or US Senator)
C) a cap on personal funds used to run for office

It wouldn't have done Bernie supporters any good, but without the "35% is good enough to win" situation in some of the early primaries, we might be facing a different slate on the Republican side right now.

 

[xUT]

So you want to get rid of the electoral college, but want proportional representation?

You do know that's what the purpose of the electoral college is right?

Otherwise you would have heavily populated states impose their will on less popular states.

Read and learn:

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:"

 
Didn't the electoral do that in the Bush nomination?
Do we need a 'buffer' to protect ourselves for electing a candidate? I don't. If the MeriKan peeple decide to elect a totalitarian or tyrant, isn't that democracy?
If we need them to circumvent our vote, then why vote at all?
Try to engage people in the voting process then tell us that we 'really' don't count.
 
Just my 2 cents,
B) xUT