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Do you have any idea how annoying it is to read an entire post quoted only to find a "Yeah,thats right!" or a goddamn smiley at the bottom of it?
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Do you have any idea how annoying it is to read an entire post quoted only to find a "Yeah,thats right!" or a goddamn smiley at the bottom of it?
Well Ash, thanks for joining the discussion. I see you have been on the board just over 24 hours so maybe a review of the rules of the board would be in order. If so, you would see that I was asking the poster who quoted YOUR entire post to not repeat it just to add two lines. Getting off on the right foot with the moderators is priceless, isnt it? 
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Flyrr100,
You are mostly correct. By definition, there are no scabs, there will be no record of those who crossed a line to fly struck work. I often fly CHQ, and you all do a very nice job, no matter who cuts your check every two weeks.
What I think T-bone is getting at though is another issue. Time was, if a union was in opposition to something, other unions would support that action, they were "sympathetic" job actions. Now, the unions step all over one another, and it seems the only way to retain work is to enter "the race to the bottom" in regard to pay, work rules, and bene's. He is upset because those routes, are and always were USAirways routes, that paint color and uniform are USAirways, and should there be an accident/incident, those would be USAirways passengers, on a USAirways painted airplane, and it would be USAirways which suffered in the media.
Time was, unions did the right thing for one another. The MDA pilots have airplanes, 28 of them. Those aircraft are going to create "additional positions" at Republic holdings. You all don't have any pilots on furlough, because USAirways furloughed pilots and gave you all the routes to fly under contract. So you have to know if galds us to have our jets, program we build (we launched the airplane), and half our jobs go to a contract carrier. Those aircraft should go staffed, and at the very least the employees "dove tailed" into the seniority list.
SH
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You are mostly correct. By definition, there are no scabs, there will be no record of those who crossed a line to fly struck work. I often fly CHQ, and you all do a very nice job, no matter who cuts your check every two weeks.
What I think T-bone is getting at though is another issue. Time was, if a union was in opposition to something, other unions would support that action, they were "sympathetic" job actions. Now, the unions step all over one another, and it seems the only way to retain work is to enter "the race to the bottom" in regard to pay, work rules, and bene's. He is upset because those routes, are and always were USAirways routes, that paint color and uniform are USAirways, and should there be an accident/incident, those would be USAirways passengers, on a USAirways painted airplane, and it would be USAirways which suffered in the media.
Time was, unions did the right thing for one another. The MDA pilots have airplanes, 28 of them. Those aircraft are going to create "additional positions" at Republic holdings. You all don't have any pilots on furlough, because USAirways furloughed pilots and gave you all the routes to fly under contract. So you have to know if galds us to have our jets, program we build (we launched the airplane), and half our jobs go to a contract carrier. Those aircraft should go staffed, and at the very least the employees "dove tailed" into the seniority list.
SH
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Flyrr100 said:
Another problem I think we at Chautauqua could face is: The 170s are being flown by Republic Airlines. NOT Chautauqua Airlines. We at CHQ fly 145s, 140s, and 135s. Republic Holdings owns three airlines. Republic, Chautauqua, and Shuttle America. Yes, they are all one seniority list. But three seperate airlines. We cannot transfer between the three.
I don't want to be walking through Philly Airport, or aproaching a captain asking for a jumpseat, and have someone start calling me a scab.
Not sure I like the 'race to the bottom' analogy. There was a time when Chautauqua was a bottom feeding airline. Things are different now. We are gearing up for almost coast to coast stuff for Delta.
Let's see what arbitration brings. I sincerely hope it will be favorable to all.
I don't want to be walking through Philly Airport, or aproaching a captain asking for a jumpseat, and have someone start calling me a scab.
Not sure I like the 'race to the bottom' analogy. There was a time when Chautauqua was a bottom feeding airline. Things are different now. We are gearing up for almost coast to coast stuff for Delta.
Let's see what arbitration brings. I sincerely hope it will be favorable to all.
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MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE -- September 22, 2005
This is Jack Stephan with a US Airways MEC update for Thursday, September 22nd, with four new items.
Item 1. MEC Chairman Bill Pollock, MEC Vice Chairman Kim Snider, Negotiating Committee Chairman Doug Mowery, Communications and Strike Prep Chairman Jack Stephan and Grievance Chairman Tracy Parrella, along with Pittsburgh and Philadelphia LEC representatives, met with more than 15 interested MDA pilots today in Pittsburgh. The meeting started with a review by Chairman Pollock on the history of MDA, a discussion of the Wexford transaction that was announced in March, and a review of the MDA resolutions that the MEC passed during the last few months, including those passed during last week's third quarter meeting.
The MDA pilots, ALPA officers and committee chairmen discussed in detail the concerns of the MDA pilots with special emphasis on the upcoming MDA furloughs, the timing of the filing of the MDA/Wexford grievance, what to expect after the outcome of the MDA/Wexford arbitration is decided, and how MDA pilots will be affected by the upcoming merger. The Grievance Committee Chairman also gave a detailed update on the MDA/Wexford grievance/arbitration timeline.
MEC Chairman Bill Pollock will soon be sending a letter to all pilots on recent events, including many of the questions and answers that were addressed during today's meeting.
Item 2. US Airways Group, Inc. announced today that it has completed the sale of certain Embraer regional jet aircraft and slot assets to Republic Airways Holdings, generating approximately $90 million in liquidity for US Airways. According to the Company's press release, the regional jets and the slots will continue to operate as US Airways Express. And under the terms of the agreement, Republic will purchase or assume the leases of 25 Embraer 170 aircraft from US Airways, and will operate them in the US Airways network under a regional jet service agreement that has been negotiated and approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court. Three additional Embraer 170s that had been slated for delivery to US Airways were purchased by Republic directly from the manufacturer.
In addition, US Airways has sold, and then leased back from Republic, commuter slots at Ronald Reagan Washington National and New York LaGuardia airports. Other Embraer 170 assets, including a flight simulator and spare parts needed to support the aircraft operations, also are planned to be part of the transaction. The purchase of these assets is expected to be completed in the next few weeks. As previously announced by US Airways, the Republic asset sale transaction represents approximately $100 million in cash that is built into the Plan of Reorganization that was approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court on Sept. 16, 2005.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
This is Jack Stephan with a US Airways MEC update for Thursday, September 22nd, with four new items.
Item 1. MEC Chairman Bill Pollock, MEC Vice Chairman Kim Snider, Negotiating Committee Chairman Doug Mowery, Communications and Strike Prep Chairman Jack Stephan and Grievance Chairman Tracy Parrella, along with Pittsburgh and Philadelphia LEC representatives, met with more than 15 interested MDA pilots today in Pittsburgh. The meeting started with a review by Chairman Pollock on the history of MDA, a discussion of the Wexford transaction that was announced in March, and a review of the MDA resolutions that the MEC passed during the last few months, including those passed during last week's third quarter meeting.
The MDA pilots, ALPA officers and committee chairmen discussed in detail the concerns of the MDA pilots with special emphasis on the upcoming MDA furloughs, the timing of the filing of the MDA/Wexford grievance, what to expect after the outcome of the MDA/Wexford arbitration is decided, and how MDA pilots will be affected by the upcoming merger. The Grievance Committee Chairman also gave a detailed update on the MDA/Wexford grievance/arbitration timeline.
MEC Chairman Bill Pollock will soon be sending a letter to all pilots on recent events, including many of the questions and answers that were addressed during today's meeting.
Item 2. US Airways Group, Inc. announced today that it has completed the sale of certain Embraer regional jet aircraft and slot assets to Republic Airways Holdings, generating approximately $90 million in liquidity for US Airways. According to the Company's press release, the regional jets and the slots will continue to operate as US Airways Express. And under the terms of the agreement, Republic will purchase or assume the leases of 25 Embraer 170 aircraft from US Airways, and will operate them in the US Airways network under a regional jet service agreement that has been negotiated and approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court. Three additional Embraer 170s that had been slated for delivery to US Airways were purchased by Republic directly from the manufacturer.
In addition, US Airways has sold, and then leased back from Republic, commuter slots at Ronald Reagan Washington National and New York LaGuardia airports. Other Embraer 170 assets, including a flight simulator and spare parts needed to support the aircraft operations, also are planned to be part of the transaction. The purchase of these assets is expected to be completed in the next few weeks. As previously announced by US Airways, the Republic asset sale transaction represents approximately $100 million in cash that is built into the Plan of Reorganization that was approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court on Sept. 16, 2005.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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scot said:Well Ash, thanks for joining the discussion. I see you have been on the board just over 24 hours so maybe a review of the rules of the board would be in order. If so, you would see that I was asking the poster who quoted YOUR entire post to not repeat it just to add two lines. Getting off on the right foot with the moderators is priceless, isnt it?
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Sorry 'bout that
I wish I had your problems! I have a family to feed. Thank you Mr bedford for giving me the opportunity to goto repugnet and steal the food off my junior brothers plate. What A bunch of A holes! it all makes me sick. SCABS!! I cant think of a better term.Flyrr100 said:
ALL or NONE.
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TBONE and foreright - your complaining should be directed at the poor leadership at your own union, not these guys who have picked up work. They have their own union and their own company was smart enough to find a niche in the marketplace, something the majors continue to fail at everyday. Watch who you call names, you might be getting them coffee soon with ALPA looking out for you. :down:
Hey Markkus,markkus757 said:
We hired our own lawyer for lack of representaion from alpa, informational picketing etc...we are making it clear to the poor leadership that we are not happy. It seems that the IBT, ALPA, U management, and republic management would love to see us just go away. I think that this just makes us even more determined for us to get what we deserve. When i am serving them coffee, I will still be calling them the same names only with sir on the end
ALL or NONEmarkkus757 said:
Complaint's have been directed at the poor leadership. But poor leadership does not absolve any union member, ALPA, IAM, CWA, IBT, etc. from scabbing another union members job. Isn't that what Union is all about?
And that Niche you speak of only exists because of another union member's unemployment. :down:
Further, enough of the "Watch who you call a SCAB" thing. The SCAB is in the eye of the Beholder. I call it as I see it and I don't need ALPA to tell me who is 'officially' a SCAB by their definition.
I may end up working in the food service industry, but I don't plan on serving coffee to any SCAB. I might throw it at the SCAB, but I won't be serving it.
ALL or NONE and to hell with all SCABS!
TBONE and foreright, how can you blame this on RAH pilots? I never remember whipping out my checkbook for one of "your aircraft". We are required to fly the aircraft that are on our certificate, that doesn't even mean we agree with what our management is doing. But it IS our job. Foreright, you spit out all this tough language in the security of your home. But I doubt you would hold a conversation about it in person without resorting to sputtering sentence fragments intermixed with shouting SCAB. Which by the way TBONE is not in the eye of the beholder, but Webster's Dictionary. RAH pilots are UNION, there is NO STRIKE, thus no PICKET LINE to cross. Our pay is similar to MDA, in fact equal to MDA after just a couple years. This is just getting a little old, guys. We all understand that the last few years for you has been rough, and that a lot of work went into starting up MDA. But, it has become a pilot vs. pilot issue on these message boards, which is just ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is that a few of our guys are being denied jumpseats on your a/c. What does that prove, really? Stop taking all your frustration out on us.
