The FEW..........The PROUD,

tom barry said:
Those imbeciles wont have to worry about ever seeing/holding thier wives/girlfriends again, because by the time they see "daylight" they'll already have been "turned out" in the joint. Yes or no, on the K -Y, your choice.
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For what, poor decision making? True, they did hand the Taliban and their friends over at Al Queda a PR tool. However that's not something that's going to land you in the brig. I see conduct unbecoming charges with a reduction in rank and forefit of pay. In addition if they were thinking of making the USMC a career they might as well forget about that.
 
I am not sure what reality you are in but I remember a whole lot of out rage regarding the soldiers who were dragged through streets, decapitated and what not.

As Sparrow keeps pointing out, if our troops were not there then this would not be happening. Bush went into Iraq for reasons that can be debated but with a out come that Cheney predicted in 1994. Bush said he would never use troops for nation building yet he did. The US operates on a different level. We are a nation of laws and principles or so we claim. What the soldiers did was asinine to say the least. They did something stupid and let them selves be filmed doing it. Not the best and brightest the US has to offer. Do you realize you are using the Taliban's actions to justify the the actions of our soldiers? I try to aspire up, not down. Next thing you know you'll be using Manson to justify your smacking an old lady. Personally I do not care what the Taliban does. I care about what our troops do. We have control over them. They are required (code of conduct) to behave better. Their actions were wrong. Doing it on tape was stupid. Their actions are not justified by the actions of others. I thought you republican types were big on personal responsibility? Guess not when it is inconvenient huh?
 
eolesen said:
My son is a Marine, Bears. Let's see you survive boot camp, much less a tour in country. Then let's talk. My guess is you and every other avid reader of the Fluffington Post would be pissing yourselves before you had a chance to piss on the enemy.

Until then, you have no right or even ability to judge them.

Fortunately, men who've been at both ends of a rifle will judge their actions accordingly.

Pissing on the bodies of guys who were trying to kill you a few hours earlier?

Hardly on the same level as the beheading someone and posting the video to the Al Queda News Network....
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Please give your son my thanks for his service.
 
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Thank you Dell for posting the remarks. of Lt Col. West for all to see. The stench of death and cloud of modern warfare often make moral men immoral. With around 100,000 Men and women of the military in Afghanistan, 4 Marines acting in an inappropriate manner is an excellent error rate.

If you were a plant manager in Corporate America and had an error rate of 4 per 100,000 units, you would soon be VP of manufacturing.

Justifying their actions is well, Silly as their can be no justification merely reasons why. Atrocities in times of war, declared or otherwise is a sad part of history. Should we bow our heads in shame over Wounded Knee? No more then the modern day German should hang their head over the Malmedy Massacre.

I don't need to experience the sting of battle to know that foreign intervention is not in the interest of the United States. We saw the reasons why EVERY DAY on the news as those wonderful patriots landed at Dover AFB. They gave their lives and the Generals cashed the check. General Dynamics, General Electric, General Motors

Just Come Home!
 
This is the first thing that came into my mind when I read the story many many hours before the OP posted it here.

I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
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The second thing that came into my mind after reading what the OP had said was and still is total outrage.
 
That's where the Ron Paul thing gets into a grey area.
The main reason we do the things we have in other countries stems from the old 'spread of communism' thing. It has some merit, at least then it did. US doctrine was for us to support and fund and so on to keep Ivan and the Chi-coms out. I'm talking 50's - 60's think. Cold war and all that.....
So where we at now?
We got real active cpusa into all kinds of "acceptable" social things now here....Communism has done quite well even in the areas we funded..... was it right...BTSOOM.

But now here we are today, comrade, even in the White House.
 
Ms Tree said:
Do you realize you are using the Taliban's actions to justify the the actions of our soldiers?
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I thought you republican types were big on personal responsibility? Guess not when it is inconvenient huh?
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First, I'm not justifying what they did. I'm just not judging it. The HuffnPuff and others have already tried and convicted these guys of war crimes...

Second, I said they'll be judged by men who've been there. And they'll be held accountable. Probably not to the satisfaction of the civilian masses, but they'll be held accountable.
 
delldude said:
That's where the Ron Paul thing gets into a grey area.
The main reason we do the things we have in other countries stems from the old 'spread of communism' thing. It has some merit, at least then it did. US doctrine was for us to support and fund and so on to keep Ivan and the Chi-coms out. I'm talking 50's - 60's think. Cold war and all that.....
So where we at now?
We got real active cpusa into all kinds of "acceptable" social things now here....Communism has done quite well even in the areas we funded..... was it right...BTSOOM.

But now here we are today, comrade, even in the White House.
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Dell you are as they say "Spot on" in your assessment. As history shows the US has nearly always fought the last war. Today is no exception,
 
eolesen said:
First, I'm not justifying what they did. I'm just not judging it. The HuffnPuff and others have already tried and convicted these guys of war crimes...

Second, I said they'll be judged by men who've been there. And they'll be held accountable. Probably not to the satisfaction of the civilian masses, but they'll be held accountable.
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To me it sounds like you are judging but what ever. If you say you are not, then so be it.

I think they will be scapegoated. I think they should be busted down in rank, discharged and call it a day. I think what will end up happening is will be worse. They are idiots and they gave fodder to those who hate us.
 
Ms Tree said:
To me it sounds like you are judging but what ever. If you say you are not, then so be it.

I think they will be scapegoated. I think they should be busted down in rank, discharged and call it a day. I think what will end up happening is will be worse. They are idiots and they gave fodder to those who hate us.
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Maybe you should heed this advice:

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
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