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[QA4Jet-A]

You point is well noted.

But in recent history, Christianity (or a rare form of it) is also a cause of mayhem.

Take for example: Temple of Love church murders; Jonestown mass murder; countless abortion clinic bombings; gay retaliation beatings.

Of course, your response is: "These are not real Christians." That sounds similar to what many Muslims in the US say about the followers of Osama: "They are not true Muslims."

I'm going to disagree with you on this in that, a true Christian does not condone the actions you mentioned.
(or a rare form of it) <--- is a more likely substitute. Rare as in radical and like the rad Muslim's, they will have their day in Upper Court. IMO, Fanatics of any religion can make the rest of their belief look like morons. There are good folks of all faiths on this planet that do not condone the actions of others who proclaim the same faith. No one is perfect in any way, although there are many who think they are.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Is there an echo here?

I feel personally insulted...

 

[QA4Jet-A]

Is there an echo here?

... perhaps it's the voices in your head....

 

[UAL_TECH]

Not sure about the conspiracy part but you do seem to be painting with quite a broad brush on the latter part.

Not sure how radicals of any segment of society become representatives of the whole. The Pope was a prick during WW II. Does that make all christians pricks? My mom was a horrible driver, does that make all women bad drivers? If so, who will tell Shirley Muldowny (sp) and Danika Patrick?

There are nut cases in all segments of society. To designate them as emissaries is ludicrous. Yes there are parts of the Koran that are violent. Then again, there are parts of the Bible that o not exactly merit a warm and fuzzy feeling either. It's a mater of interpretation. Some people skip a few chapters and some people are pissed off to begin with and use it as an excuse to go on a rampage.

Religion is neither peaceful or combative. It is what people make it.

BTW, we have a muslim working up here in Crew Skd. Seems like a nice guy (although I'm sure that's a act to lull us in to a sense of complacency before he blows us all up). Should I call HLS to have them pick him up? I guess they will have to pick up his 5 kids and wife as well. Better safe than sorry right?

Here you go again…

One would infer from your post that you have read both the Bible and Koran to a detail to know nuances, teachings and differences.

Since I am not as much of an ‘expert’ as you are please enlighten us (ME) as to the parallels regarding violence in the bible and the Koran?

(Leave MoHead having sex with little girls out of it) :down:

Having an Islamic coworker certainly does make you an authority on the subject and your ‘broad liberal brush’ regarding your singular contact is impressive.

B) UT

JMHO, you ‘oracles’ that base your understandings on ‘here say’, books, articles and limited contacts would do as well to STFU. :blink:

If what you say is what you believe then go to a Muslim controlled country, live amongst them for a few years then get back to me.

I have.

Your inference that 'all' religions are the same is ignorant.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Thank you everyone... you proved my point better than I ever could by mere words.

My Point: Some of you generalize by basically saying that ALL followers of Islam are out to either kill Christians or those of the Western world. In other words, you take the example of a few so-called muslims who have killed people and say that they represent the whole of islam! That is not logical nor fair! Many muslims disagree with the actions of these killers! There are billions of muslims... do you seriously think they are ALL out to get you???

Likewise, I make a showing of a few killers (obviously not likely true christians or even so-called christians at all) and you prove my point by saying that these are not real christians and so on! THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT PEOPLE!!!

As you have made quite clear, I cannot make a generalization about ALL christians based upon the actions of a few (whether Chrstian or not), you cannot logically make generalizations about all muslims either.

There are fanatics in every religon... we need to go after the fanatics, not the religon in general!!!!!

As for parallels in the Bible encouraging violence... here you go:

Go through...the midst of Jerusalem, and... smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women... (Ezekiel 9:4-6)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them. (Samuel 22:40-42)

Yes, I understand, this is the old testament (old covenant) and this law was fullfilled by the coming of Christ. Thus, these verses are taken out of context. But this goes to another point. Many of you suggest that the Koran advocates killing westerners and pull out a few Koran readings to explain your assumption. I am not saying that you are wrong; I do not know enough about the Koran to say one way or another. But in the same breadth that you pull out the Koran and show such violence, I can pull out the Holy Word (the Bible) and show you that it advocates violence (whether taken out of context or not).

 

[local 12 proud]

Thank you everyone... you proved my point better than I ever could by mere words.

My Point: Some of you generalize by basically saying that ALL followers of Islam are out to either kill Christians or those of the Western world. In other words, you take the example of a few so-called muslims who have killed people and say that they represent the whole of islam! That is not logical nor fair! Many muslims disagree with the actions of these killers! There are billions of muslims... do you seriously think they are ALL out to get you???

Likewise, I make a showing of a few killers (obviously not likely true christians or even so-called christians at all) and you prove my point by saying that these are not real christians and so on! THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT PEOPLE!!!

As you have made quite clear, I cannot make a generalization about ALL christians based upon the actions of a few (whether Chrstian or not), you cannot logically make generalizations about all muslims either.

There are fanatics in every religon... we need to go after the fanatics, not the religon in general!!!!!
As for parallels in the Bible encouraging violence... here you go:

Go through...the midst of Jerusalem, and... smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women... (Ezekiel 9:4-6)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them. (Samuel 22:40-42)

Yes, I understand, this is the old testament (old covenant) and this law was fullfilled by the coming of Christ. Thus, these verses are taken out of context. But this goes to another point. Many of you suggest that the Koran advocates killing westerners and pull out a few Koran readings to explain your assumption. I am not saying that you are wrong; I do not know enough about the Koran to say one way or another. But in the same breadth that you pull out the Koran and show such violence, I can pull out the Holy Word (the Bible) and show you that it advocates violence (whether taken out of context or not).

Why are you not getting it?

We're not talking about what occurred in the old testament, we're living in the 21st century where a specific Religion advocates killing in the name of their (false) god!

Hundreds if not thousands are killed and attacked daily because they refuse to bow down to Islam and you compare they're assailants to a few rotten apples of christendom?

Your example is lacking and also shows your true ignorance of the subject. Your knowledge of the bible is also wanting, those verses you quote were for a specific time and people.

BTW... whoever said ALL? I said those 'GOOD' muslims who follow the Qur'an which encompasses a great deal of the middle east, not your westernized watered down pretenders.

 

[delldude]

Many muslims disagree with the actions of these killers!

If what you say is true...why are so many muslims silent about the actions of the radicals?

its out of fear!!!

Do you see any muslims standing up and denouncing the actions of the radical faction?Very few...very few.Speak out and they issue a order for you to be killed...just ask Salmon Rushdie.

You speak out against radical Islam and theres a very real chance you will die.This is the way they are ingrained from childhood.....how do you deal with that?

 

[local 12 proud]

You speak out against radical Islam and theres a very real chance you will die.This is the way they are ingrained from childhood.....how do you deal with that?

You compare it to Christianity and bury your head in the sand! :blink:

 

[delldude]

You compare it to Christianity and bury your head in the sand! :blink:

Are you ignoring me?

 

[local 12 proud]

Are you ignoring me?

Funny how the light makes them flee...

 

[UAL_TECH]

Thank you everyone... you proved my point better than I ever could by mere words.

My Point: Some of you generalize by basically saying that ALL followers of Islam are out to either kill Christians or those of the Western world. In other words, you take the example of a few so-called muslims who have killed people and say that they represent the whole of islam! That is not logical nor fair! Many muslims disagree with the actions of these killers! There are billions of muslims... do you seriously think they are ALL out to get you???

Likewise, I make a showing of a few killers (obviously not likely true christians or even so-called christians at all) and you prove my point by saying that these are not real christians and so on! THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT PEOPLE!!!

As you have made quite clear, I cannot make a generalization about ALL christians based upon the actions of a few (whether Chrstian or not), you cannot logically make generalizations about all muslims either.

There are fanatics in every religon... we need to go after the fanatics, not the religon in general!!!!!

As for parallels in the Bible encouraging violence... here you go:

Go through...the midst of Jerusalem, and... smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women... (Ezekiel 9:4-6)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies, that I might destroy them. (Samuel 22:40-42)

Yes, I understand, this is the old testament (old covenant) and this law was fullfilled by the coming of Christ. Thus, these verses are taken out of context. But this goes to another point. Many of you suggest that the Koran advocates killing westerners and pull out a few Koran readings to explain your assumption. I am not saying that you are wrong; I do not know enough about the Koran to say one way or another. But in the same breadth that you pull out the Koran and show such violence, I can pull out the Holy Word (the Bible) and show you that it advocates violence (whether taken out of context or not).

If your point was to not have a 'point' then you made your point...

But I'm sure we all love your rambling...

 

[delldude]

Whats your point?

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Excuse me...but your clinic bomber wasn't running around in the name of god.

Good one Dude...

I don't think this guy is a TRUE Christian; but he does justify his actions in the name of God (a so-called Christian). I put this guy in the same category of those who want to kill Westeners in the name of Allah.

Olympic bomber taunts victims from prison

"But Rudolph's long essays have been posted on the Internet by a supporter who maintains an Army of God Web site. The Army of God is the same loose-knit group that Rudolph claimed to represent in letters sent after the blasts."

"In one piece, Rudolph seeks to justify violence against abortion clinics by arguing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

 

[wnbubbleboy]

Good one Dude...

I don't think this guy is a TRUE Christian; but he does justify his actions in the name of God (a so-called Christian). I put this guy in the same category of those who want to kill Westeners in the name of Allah.

Hmmm........Placing the acts of ALL of the peace loving faith on the shoulders one unbalanced person. That make's it even.

The world is a target (not just the west) with the "Convert of Die" conviction of this peace loving faith. That is with the exception of China who could show these people true brutality if provoked. No doubt they will stay far way from them.

Regarding the West all the Peace Loving Religon need do is wait for the West to die off. Many here in the West would rather raise a dog than a child, so wait fifty years and walk right in. I doubt the Mexicans would put up much of a fight.

 

[local 12 proud]

Hmmm........Placing the acts of ALL of the peace loving faith on the shoulders one unbalanced person. That make's it even.

The world is a target (not just the west) with the "Convert of Die" conviction of this peace loving faith. That is with the exception of China who could show these people true brutality if provoked. No doubt they will stay far way from them.

Regarding the West all the Peace Loving Religon need do is wait for the West to die off. Many here in the West would rather raise a dog than a child, so wait fifty years and walk right in. I doubt the Mexicans would put up much of a fight.

You nailed it buddy!!!!!

Take care,

Local 12