SWA dispatchers arbitration.

[AvTech04]

Cmon guys. Where have you guys been. We have stated from the get go that the enhancement of the SWA mechs seniority has to do with placement on the seniority list only, nothing at all to do with pay. In other words, a 1 yr SWA mech getting the 4 yrs takes him to 5 yrs. He remains at the 1 yr pay scale. He is only considered a 5 yr employee during the bidding process, nothing with pay, raises, long ect... It also has nothing to do with vacation acrual. For ex; a 15 yr mech goes to 19 yrs. he will still recieve the 4 wks of vac and not jump to the 5 wks do to the enhamcement boost.

A lot has changed from the get go and you know it SWAMT. Have you not read the T/A or SLI yet?? It doesn't state anywhere in there that it's for bidding purpose only, it states:

"Provided that all Southwest Mechanics employed by Southwest Airlines on May 2, 2001, shall be placed on an integrated list based on the crediting of an additional four (4) years of category seniority to their existing category date."

No where in the agreement does it state that it is for bidding purpose only and it doesn't reference any article in the CBA that it must abide by. That's where I go this information from. So, in turn, if I were an ALR, and this passes, I would fight for the company to abide by the new seniority list and award the benefits.. Again, like all my post, it's subject to objection or correction, but try and keep the childishness out of it.

But, then again, I may be biased in trying to help the junior to mid range guys @ SWA get an even better deal out of all this, don't really see how that benefits me, but SWA.TECH says I am misinformed and biased, and Buscador agrees so it must me true.. smh

 

[SWA.TECH]

A lot has changed from the get go and you know it SWAMT. Have you not read the T/A or SLI yet?? It doesn't state anywhere in there that it's for bidding purpose only, it states:

"Provided that all Southwest Mechanics employed by Southwest Airlines on May 2, 2001, shall be placed on an integrated list based on the crediting of an additional four (4) years of category seniority to their existing category date."

No where in the agreement does it state that it is for bidding purpose only and it doesn't reference any article in the CBA that it must abide by. That's where I go this information from. So, in turn, if I were an ALR, and this passes, I would fight for the company to abide by the new seniority list and award the benefits.. Again, like all my post, it's subject to objection or correction, but try and keep the childishness out of it.

But, then again, I may be biased in trying to help the junior to mid range guys @ SWA get an even better deal out of all this, don't really see how that benefits me, but SWA.TECH says I am misinformed and biased, and Buscador agrees so it must me true.. smh

Look , I am telling you, I verified it with our airline rep, BUMP= bidding only , no pay associated, cat seniority = bidding , company seniority= pay. our junior guys already know they have to WORK five years for top out and are ok with that , we all did. why are you having such a hard time understanding this? just vote your vote , but it is as explained, and verified, so go fight about what it should mean with someone who gives a ####. Heres a hint , look in the mirror, thats the person, yea right there staing at ya........

 

[xUT]

Look , I am telling you, I verified it with our airline rep, BUMP= bidding only , no pay associated, cat seniority = bidding , company seniority= pay. our junior guys already know they have to WORK five years for top out and are ok with that , we all did. why are you having such a hard time understanding this? just vote your vote , but it is as explained, and verified, so go fight about what it should mean with someone who gives a ####. Heres a hint , look in the mirror, thats the person, yea right there staing at ya........

Maybe, but your contract states DOC for pay, DOH for 'other stuff'.
The SLI/TA states a bump in DOC, so some 'may' get a bump in pay (DOC) but not vacation, etc... (based on DOH) .
Of course I could be missing something that I am sure you can clarify with some documentation other than what your ALR said.
PM me with your ALR's info and I'll ask him directly.

Maybe if you guys would step back from your anger and look at the facts, this would be a much better discussion.

Regards,
B) xUT

 

[SWA.TECH]

Maybe, but your contract states DOC for pay, DOH for 'other stuff'.
The SLI/TA states a bump in DOC, so some 'may' get a bump in pay (DOC) but not vacation, etc... (based on DOH) .
Of course I could be missing something that I am sure you can clarify with some documentation other than what your ALR said.
PM me with your ALR's info and I'll ask him directly.

Maybe if you guys would step back from your anger and look at the facts, this would be a much better discussion.

Regards,
B) xUT

This is not my ALR's post, however I have known him for over 12 years and trust what he says answering my direct question. Unless there was a major diconnect then the info is correct. The 4 year bump in seniority is for bidding. When the road show comes I will ask for clarifacation. Until then I would bet on the fact that anyone under the top out will not receive a top out because of the 4 year bump. Take it for what it is , but what I am telling you is the info is coming from a reliable AMFA rep involved in SLI, and I know there is no way, NO WAY SWA would bump pay rates based on a seniority bump.

 

[SWA.TECH]

"it is hereby agreed between the undersighned parties:

1. Air-tran and Southwest mechanics and related employees (Mechanics") , excluding Southwest airlines appearance technicians, shall be integrated into a single seniority list on the basis of their date-of-entry into the category as defined in the Southwest Airlines agreement (i.e. classifacation seniority date shown in the Southewest airlines mechanic agreement); provided that all Southwest mechanics employed by Southwest airlines on may 2,2011 shall be placed on the integrated list based on the crediting of an additional four (4) years of category seniority to there existing category seniority date. Air tran maintenance instructors will be subject to the provisions of SWA mechanic and related LOA #6 . The parties agree that LOA #6 permits the retention of previous mechanic seniority as provided in article 9 paragraph 11 of the SWA mechanic and related aggrement."

 

[xUT]

"it is hereby agreed between the undersighned parties:

1. Air-tran and Southwest mechanics and related employees (Mechanics") , excluding Southwest airlines appearance technicians, shall be integrated into a single seniority list on the basis of their date-of-entry into the category as defined in the Southwest Airlines agreement (i.e. classifacation seniority date shown in the Southewest airlines mechanic agreement); provided that all Southwest mechanics employed by Southwest airlines on may 2,2011 shall be placed on the integrated list based on the crediting of an additional four (4) years of category seniority to there existing category seniority date. Air tran maintenance instructors will be subject to the provisions of SWA mechanic and related LOA #6 . The parties agree that LOA #6 permits the retention of previous mechanic seniority as provided in article 9 paragraph 11 of the SWA mechanic and related aggrement."

I can read, so what's your point other than your committee needs a spell check...
I have a copy of your contract and most of your agreements.
Even a few LOA's.
Are you trying to prove my point?
Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[SWA.TECH]

I can read, so what's your point other than your committee needs a spell check...
I have a copy of your contract and most of your agreements.
Even a few LOA's.
Are you trying to prove my point?
Take Care,
B) xUT

I typed that I didnt copy and paste , so my bad... anyway like I said, it wont affect the pay of non topped SWA mechs. when this is all said and done just dont be a chicken sh!t and hide trolling the board , its ok to be uniformed and wrong. So iguess at this point I say , sir I respectfully agree to disagree, and if I am wrong I will apologize on this thread. Cheers!

 

[xUT]

just to clarify, SWA MX has no A/B scale. there is one scale 0 years to top out.

Take Note.
B) xUT

 

[SWA.TECH]

Xnut please refer all further babling to the IBT no show blog. This going back and forth is ridiculous.

 

[num1bearsfan]

The issue at hand is "seniority list integration". Pay step is a completely separate program and in no way dependent on or associated with seniority. I know people who have higher pay step than their seniority. It can happen if you're terminated from the company but are allowed to return. Commonly those employees return with 0 seniority and pick up at their last pay step.

I have to agree,... Really?! After all of this back and forth and debating what's what, you AirTran guys didn't realize the Southwest side WASNT going to be getting pay raises? It was sort of the basis of our end's argument all along. We stand only to lose and you stand only to gain. GET IT NOW? Is it possible this whole thing was a simple misunderstanding from the get? Too bad it had to go to arbitration :/

Also, swatech is what you posed a verbatim quote of what the arbitrator said? If so that's hilarious. You'd almost think he was a reader of this forum

 

[xUT]

Xnut please refer all further babling to the IBT no show blog. This going back and forth is ridiculous.

Yes it is ridiculous, we should st a new thread.
B) xUT

 

[SWA.TECH]

The issue at hand is "seniority list integration". Pay step is a completely separate program and in no way dependent on or associated with seniority. I know people who have higher pay step than their seniority. It can happen if you're terminated from the company but are allowed to return. Commonly those employees return with 0 seniority and pick up at their last pay step.

I have to agree,... Really?! After all of this back and forth and debating what's what, you AirTran guys didn't realize the Southwest side WASNT going to be getting pay raises? It was sort of the basis of our end's argument all along. We stand only to lose and you stand only to gain. GET IT NOW? Is it possible this whole thing was a simple misunderstanding from the get? Too bad it had to go to arbitration :/

Also, swatech is what you posed a verbatim quote of what the arbitrator said? If so that's hilarious. You'd almost think he was a reader of this forum

yes it is typed from the pages of the arbitration, I may have misspelled a word or two , but yes that is exactly how the text read.

 

[buscador]

The issue at hand is "seniority list integration". Pay step is a completely separate program and in no way dependent on or associated with seniority. I know people who have higher pay step than their seniority. It can happen if you're terminated from the company but are allowed to return. Commonly those employees return with 0 seniority and pick up at their last pay step.

I have to agree,... Really?! After all of this back and forth and debating what's what, you AirTran guys didn't realize the Southwest side WASNT going to be getting pay raises? It was sort of the basis of our end's argument all along. We stand only to lose and you stand only to gain. GET IT NOW? Is it possible this whole thing was a simple misunderstanding from the get? Too bad it had to go to arbitration :/

Also, swatech is what you posed a verbatim quote of what the arbitrator said? If so that's hilarious. You'd almost think he was a reader of this forum

I agree, now I wonder where are all the AT guys who back in sept/oct 2011 were screaming nothing less than DOH and yes they DESERVE every bit of their huge compensation packages and yes thats FAIR, and all the sycophants who complained and supported them, all those at AT screaming victim. Well now that the TRUTH and FAIRNESS is out of the bag, where are they?? cant hear a thing but the crickets... Thats what I thought, They mis-played their hand, over valuated their position and their company ,,

Funny thing is that the real men would step up and say SWA employees were right to hope for fairness,, and thank the SWA company and employees for the tremendous financial gains and the opportunities they will soon be recieving and move on. I for one am not here to Gloat because they still get the WINDFALL, and SWA employees get a couple of crumbs and " maybe" if your lucky you can hold the same shift you were holding before all of this.

Seems to be only 2 winners in this whole deal,, #1 AT employees #2 possibly SWA as a Company, the jury will be out on #2 for many years to come..

Good luck to us all and I hope the Arbitrators reality check will shed enough light for those who were to blinded to see what and ounce of FAIRNESS looks like...

So we at SWA can go back to our NOTHING gained position and hope that GK made a brilliant move for all of OUR futures!!