Spanish Editorial Regarding the Effects of Auschwitz

Garfield1966 said:
Toma Tu

It is unfortunate that while this country has the potential to do much good in the world, there are far too many in this nation who walk around in a cloud unable to see long term. They believe in the boogy man an that the world is out to get them.

Given the statement that Cheney made in 1994 (see the thread I started on this forum) a very strong argument can be made that this war was conducted as a power play to establish a base in the Middle East and secondly for monetary gain. This had nothing to do with a threat to the US (or anyone else for that matter), it had nothing to do with 9/11.
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As for the base in the middle east.....biblically,it is a must do....we need a place to stage from when the Sov's and Chino's come in from the north and east in the big 'A'.

It will happen...it will be about Jews,oil and muslims.......and it was forecast some 2000 years ago.
 
Careful dude, those pagans will throw you to the Lions after beheading you first of course! :p

Wonder if they will be our friends? ;)

Whoooops.....From Ishmael, whose birthright was denied, to Esau and Jacob - rivaling twins, the seed of hate was sewn. What evolved thereafter was a bitter, jealousy that has been passed down to every Arab generation since. By the 7th century, this ancient hatred made its way into the heart and mind of a common-criminal named Mohammed - an Arab and descendant of Ishmael, who founded a religion and used it to justify his countless, criminal acts of rape and murder. :eek:

http://www.creationapologetics.org/editori...msmohammed.html
 
And who on this earth would have trouble delineating that this culture has fundamental flaws?

Flaws that are deep seated into their kindergarten teaching of hate towards other cultures,other people,other countries.

But...I must admit....we as Americans have brought this upon ourselves due to our systematic helping of those less fortunate

than us.

BOOSHEET -_-
 
local 12 proud said:
Careful dude, those pagans will throw you to the Lions after beheading you first of course! :p

Wonder if they will be our friends? ;)

Whoooops.....From Ishmael, whose birthright was denied, to Esau and Jacob - rivaling twins, the seed of hate was sewn. What evolved thereafter was a bitter, jealousy that has been passed down to every Arab generation since. By the 7th century, this ancient hatred made its way into the heart and mind of a common-criminal named Mohammed - an Arab and descendant of Ishmael, who founded a religion and used it to justify his countless, criminal acts of rape and murder. :eek:

http://www.creationapologetics.org/editori...msmohammed.html
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DOH!!!

Spot on!!! :up:

Take Care,
B) UT
 
So your saying this country does'nt do much good in the world?
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Of course it isn't and never has been.

1.In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that "the protocol is dead," at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence.

3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.

4. April 2001, the US was not reelected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244 million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)

5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US).

In October 2001 Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would keep US military personnel from obeying the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC.

6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South Korea against North Korea's "overwhelming military advantage." He stated that the US would "eventually" comply, in 2006; this was disavowed by President Bush in August 2001.

7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared "dead" by President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush administration shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly by watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval.

8. In May 2001, refused to meet with European Union nations to discuss, even at lower levels of government, economic espionage and electronic surveillance of phone calls, e-mail, and faxes (the US "Echelon" program),

9. Refused to participate in Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)-sponsored talks in Paris, May 2001, on ways to crack down on off-shore and other tax and money-laundering havens.

10. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001

11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa

12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.

13. Enforcing an illegal boycott of Cuba, now being made tighter. In the UN in October 2001, the General Assembly passed a resolution, for the tenth consecutive year, calling for an end to the US embargo, by a vote of 167 to 3 (the US, Israel, and the Marshall Islands in opposition).

14. Comprehensive [Nuclear] Test Ban Treaty. Signed by 164 nations and ratified by 89 including France, Great Britain, and Russia; signed by President Clinton in 1996 but rejected by the Senate in 1999. The US is one of 13 nonratifiers among countries that have nuclear weapons or nuclear power programs. In November 2001, the US forced a vote in the UN Committee on Disarmament and Security to demonstrate its opposition to the Test Ban Treaty.

15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the US was in violation of international law for "unlawful use of force" in Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US refused to recognize the Court's jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling for compliance with the Court's decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel voting no).

16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO's budget, over the New World Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to lessen world media dependence on the "big four" wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence France-Presse, Reuters).

The US charged UNESCO with "curtailment of press freedom," as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in vote in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton administration proposed rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN but excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.

17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing a provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither signed nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision, making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.

18. 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The only countries that have signed but not ratified are the US, Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe.

19. The US has signed but not ratified the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which protects the economic and social rights of children. The only other country not to ratify is Somalia, which has no functioning government.

20. UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, 1966, covering a wide range of rights and monitored by the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The US signed in 1977 but has not ratified.

21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several "reservations" to the effect that the US Constitution and the "advice and consent" of the Senate are required to judge whether any "acts in the course of armed conflict" constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others.


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http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/L/List-of...-since-1945.htm
This is a list of United States interventions or alleged interventions since 1945.
1940s
Occupation and rebuilding of Japan 1945-1952 after World War II, drafting Japan's current democratic constitution. (see Occupied Japan)
1945, USSR occupies North Korea and US occupies South Korea. USSR denies elections in North Korea, establishing communist government; US allows UN supervised elections.
Occupation and rebuilding of West Germany after World War II. Merged US occupation zone with the French and British zones to form the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949.
March 12, 1947 President Harry Truman proclaimed the Truman Doctrine, stating that the United States would support "free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures." The US gave $400 million in military and economic aid to Turkey and Greece to battle Communist insurgents in Greece in 1947 and prevent both countries from falling under the Soviet sphere of influence. (See Greek Civil War)
Central Intelligence Agency involvement in Italian elections, involving propaganda and the alleged buying of votes, in order to prevent the Communist Party of Italy coming to power, in 1948. (See 1948 Italian election)
1948-1951 the United States contributed both economic and technical assistance toward the recovery of European countries after World War II, known as the Marshall Plan. Sixteen countries accept the aid, but most communist countries reject it.
June 28 1948, the US flew supplies into the Western-held sectors of Berlin over the blockade during 1948-1949, known as the Berlin Airlift
U.S. financial and military support of the Republic of China, that began during the Sino-Japanese War and through World War II, continued against the People's Liberation Army.
1950s
Funding of French Indochina War from 1945 until 1954.
Korean War from 1950 until 1953: After communist North Koreans invade South Korea, the UN, with every nation voting "yea" except for Yugoslavia that abstained, approves military support for South Korea, involving over a dozen countries including the US.
U.S. (CIA) and UK (MI-6) succeed in removal of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran (Operation Ajax) - 1953.http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
Food for Peace is established in 1954. Since the program started, it has sent over 100 million metric tons of American food to 150 countries, or about 3 billion people. This program with other US programs account for 60% of the world's total food aid.
CIA-orchestrated overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala (Operation PBSUCCESS) - 1954.
U.S. support for President Ngo Dinh Diem of Vietnam from 1955 - 1963. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/
Lebanon crisis of 1958: The US assisted President Camille Chamoun when Pan-Arbists advocated by Egypt's president, Gamal Abdel Nasser, attempted to overthrow the Lebanese government.
After the Chinese bombing of ancient monasteries at Chatreng and Litang that housed thousands of civilians in 1956 which violated the Plan for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet, the CIA aided Chushi Gandrug and Tensung Dhanglang Magar's resistance movement.
U.S. support for Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista (amongst others against Marxist insurgents) until his unpopularity and impending overthrow becomes clear in 1959.
Two assassination attempts of general Abdul Karim Qassim, president of Iraq, 1959 and 1963 (the second one succeeded).
1960s
Peace Corps, an independent U.S. federal agency, was established in 1961. Within six years, Peace Corp was involved in education and agriculture related projects of 55 Third World countries. Over the years, the Peace Corps has expanded its mission to include improving education, health and HIV/AIDS, business, information technology, agriculture, and the environment in about 80 developing and underdeveloped countries and nations with a developing economy.
U.S.-backed abortive Bay of Pigs Invasion of Cuba in 1961.
CIA planning to assassinate Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Congo. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/lum-j10.shtml http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/carl-m15.shtml Belgium has since officially apologized for its own role in the affair. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1805546.stm
CIA involvement in the assassination of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, their former ally in the Dominican Republic, in 1961 http://history-matters.com/archive/church/...ir/contents.htm http://history-matters.com/archive/church/...3D_Trujillo.pdf
Alleged CIA involvement in overthrow of Juan Bosch, the democratically elected leader of the Dominican Republic. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...inican_republic
Alleged CIA-backed overthrow of José María Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador in 1963.
U.S. backs coup against South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm
CIA-backed overthrow of João Goulart in Brazil in 1964. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB118/index.htm http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...timeline=brazil
CIA covert support for the election of Eduardo Frei Montalva of Chile in 1964.
Alleged CIA-backed overthrow of Sukarno and subsequent support of Suharto in Indonesia in 1965. Former officials of the U.S. Embassy in Indonesia acknowledge supplying a list of 5,000 suspected communists -- given to them by the CIA -- to the Indonesian government and checking them off the list when those people were executed. The U.S. government also supplied 90% of Indonesia's military hardware.http://www.namebase.org/kadane.htmlhttp://www.namebase.org/scott.html
Vietnam War - (1964–1975)
Involvement in riots and violence that brought down the government of Cheddi Jagan in Guyana.
Alleged CIA-backed military coup brings dictator Joseph Mobutu to power in the Congo in 1965.
Alleged CIA support to military coup against Ghanaian leader Kwame Nkrumah in 1966.
Alleged CIA-backed military coup ushers in Regime of the Colonels in Greece in 1967.
American support for Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.
CIA-organized military operation ends in execution of Che Guevara in Bolivia in 1967.
Beginning in 1968 the US bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos and Cambodia to disrupt the logistical support given to the Viet Cong by the North Vietnamese Army
1970s
Alleged CIA-supported coup against Prince Sihanouk in Cambodia in 1970.
Alleged CIA-supported military coup against President Juan José Torres of Bolivia in 1971.
Support for Pakistan in the Bangladesh Liberation War.
Political and economic intervention in Chile against president Salvador Allende; contacts with military officers planning to overthrow Allende.
Support for Indonesian invasion and occupation of Portuguese Timor (now East Timor)(1975).
CIA support for UNITA rebels in Angola, from 1976 - 1984.
Approval and support for Argentina's "Dirty War". (1976-1983)
U.S. backs and provides military funding to Salvadoran Armed Forces, civil-military junta, and President José Napoleón Duarte during country's civil war, (1979-89). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2147888.stm
Following overthrow of the dictator Anastasio Somoza Debayle in Nicaragua by the Sandinistas, the CIA supports the Contras from 1979 - 1989. resolution. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...eline=nicaragua
Support of armed opposition parties, including Khmer Rouge, to Vietnamese-installed regime of Heng Samrin in Cambodia, 1979–1993.
Alleged American intervention in civil war in Yemen, from 1979 - 1984.
1980s
Alleged support for Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaucescu, 1980s.
CIA support for José Napoleón Duarte and other anti-Communist politicians alleged to have links with right-wing death squads.
Provision of military assistance to Hissène Habré of Chad, leading to the overthrow of Libya-supported neutralist Goukouni Oueddei.
Sale of small arms and weapons production materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War
Sale of arms to Iran (see Iran–Contra Affair)
Training of Nicaraguan Contras and support to military regimes in Honduras, Guatemala, Panama, and South America during the 1980s.
Alleged CIA support to Gwangju Massacre in 1980.
Alleged CIA and South African backing to a coup attempt in the Seychelles in 1981.
American support for Israel in the 1982 Lebanon War.
Support for military dictator Efraín Ríos Montt in Guatemala Alleged CIA support for the coup that brought him into power.
Invasion of Grenada, overthrow of Marxist government (Operation Urgent Fury) - 1983.
Under CIA Director George H W Bush, provided funds, training and weapons (mainly Stinger missiles to thward Soviet air superiority - they were the real reason why the mujahadeen won the war)with help of other organisations (most of them are now 'terrorist' organisations) and the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) (secret services)
Alleged involvement in the mysterious death of Samora Machel, President of Mozambique (1986).
Support to coup against Timoci Bavadra, democratically elected Prime Minister of Fiji in 1987.
In 1989, The US establishes Support for East European Democracy to help assist Poland and Hungary's transition into market-based democracies.
Operation Just Cause: In late 1989, the US invaded Panama and arrested Manuel Noriega for drug trafficking after a U.S. Marine was killed and Noriega declared war against the US.
1990s
Beginning in December 1989 until 1996 when the Liberian civil war ended, the United States attempted to get UN involved in negotiations. The UN refused. Meanwhile, the US provided humanitarian aid, including food and developmental aid.
Intervention in Colombian civil war, 1990s
Corruption of elections in Bulgaria in 1990 and in Albania in 1991 http://members.aol.com/bblum6/bulgaria.htm.
Funding to the opposition presidential candidate, Violeta Barrios de Chamorro, in Sandinista-ruled Nicaragua. Chamorro won the election.
After Iraq invades Kuwait in 1990, King Fahd, fearing Saudi Arabia would be Saddam Hussein's next target, invites U.S. troops to use the country as a base.
UN-led Gulf War following Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, 1991
When Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991, the Volcano Disaster Assistance Program helped evacuate 75,000 people and $250 million to $375 million worth of equipment.
Alleged U.S. Support for ousting Jean-Bertrand Aristide from Haiti, 1991 http://members.aol.com/bblum6/haiti2.htm.
U.S.-led UN sanctions against Iraq, from 1990 to 2003.
The FREEDOM Support Act in 1992 amends Support for East European Democracy to include the new independent states of the former Soviet Union to aid their transition into market-based democracies.
Operation Provide Relief, a 1992 US lead humanitarian relief for Somalia. After looting of the aid, it was reorganized as Operation Restore Hope, an American military operation with the support of the United Nations to deliver humanitarian aid and restore order to Somalia, that eventually lead to the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.
U.S. removal of Raoul Cedras from office in Haiti and temporary occupation of the country, 1993.
Alleged support for Mexico in fighting the Zapatista Army of National Liberation, 1994.
NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs, 1995.
Responding to the 1995 flood in North Korea that caused a famine, the US initially provided over $8 million in general humanitarian (China was the only country to initially contribute more aid). However, eight years later, the US has provided $644 million in aid to the country which comprises nearly 50% of the aid going to North Korea.
U.S.-led bombing campaign, called Operation Desert Fox, against Iraq in enforcement of the UN designated No-Fly zones created to protect Kurds and Marsh Arabs, 1998.
Iraq Liberation Act, 1998.
Operation Infinite Reach: a US cruise missile strike on terrorist bases and targets in Afghanistan and Sudan, including the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory, after al Qaeda bombed two US embassies in 1998.
NATO's bombing of Serbia in the Kosovo Conflict. Officially aimed at preventing ethnic cleansing of Albanians, 1999. During this bombing the Chinese embassy was hit. Some say this was done deliberately http://www.fair.org/activism/embassy-bombing.html.
2000s
U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, overthrow of Taliban when the government refuse to deliver Al-Qaida leaders located in the country after the September 11th attacks in 2001.
Servicemen's Protection Act, called the Hague Invasion Act by critics 2002.
Alleged CIA-backed abortive coup against democratically-elected President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela in 2002. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...eline=venezuela
U.S. Invasion of Iraq, overthrow of Saddam Hussein, 2003
Alleged American support in the overthrow of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti in 2004. (see: 2004 Haiti rebellion) Also threatened Jamaica if it provided residence to Aristide.
Alleged interference in Salvadoran presidential election. US threatened to take reprisals if the country would elect the socialist candidate Schafik Handal, 2004.
Support to the Venezuelan opposition in the run-up to the referendum on Hugo Chávez' rule. Many elements were linked to the above-mentioned coup in 2002.
Alleged support (along with Spain and Britain) for a failed coup plot against Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo of Equatorial Guinea in 2004. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1313571,00.html
Introduction of the Belarus Democracy Act. Also repeated meetings with opposition leaders and the addition of Belarus to the outposts of tyranny list.
 
Micahel UK:

You never answered any of the questions I asked.

P.S. What part of the UK do you live?
 
777 fixer said:
Micahel UK:

You never answered any of the questions I asked.

P.S. What part of the UK do you live?
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You expect too much.
Remember we are stupid yankees and his butty toma the pool boy proves it. :p

B) UT
 
Micahel UK:

So far you have ranted about the "Jews". When asked to back up your beliefs with some facts you don't say anything. Now you come out with this list about the USA. Did you actually read this list or is this a case of cut and paste. Reading it I would say cut and paste. Also, try and use sites that are not as biased as WSWS or cooperative research.

Am I going to try and argue that we are infallible and how wonderful we are? No I am not; to do so would be a bit naive. There are things that this country has done that I'm not proud of. However if you are going to try and argue that the world would be better off without the USA let me point something out. The two most destructive wars of the past hundred years were started by Europeans. Along with that there are the three "ism's" thought up in Europe. Fascism, communism and colonialism. Three ideas that have spread more death and destruction across the globe than we Americans could ever "hope" to achieve.

Now let’s take a look at this list.

Occupation and rebuilding of Japan 1945-1952 after World War II, drafting Japan's current democratic constitution. (see Occupied Japan)

Look at Japan today, a democracy and economic powerhouse.

1945, USSR occupies North Korea and US occupies South Korea. USSR denies elections in North Korea, establishing communist government; US allows UN supervised elections.

North Korea, a brutal Stalinist dictatorship whose people are slowly starving. South Korea, a democracy with a strong economy.

Occupation and rebuilding of West Germany after World War II. Merged US occupation zone with the French and British zones to form the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949.

I think we all know which half of Germany faired better.

March 12, 1947 President Harry Truman proclaimed the Truman Doctrine, stating that the United States would support "free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures." The US gave $400 million in military and economic aid to Turkey and Greece to battle Communist insurgents in Greece in 1947 and prevent both countries from falling under the Soviet sphere of influence. (See Greek Civil War)

Given the Greek Communist habit of executing people who got in their way I would say they were better off.

Central Intelligence Agency involvement in Italian elections, involving propaganda and the alleged buying of votes, in order to prevent the Communist Party of Italy coming to power, in 1948. (See 1948 Italian election)

And this is a bad thing? Looking at what happened to countries that came under communist control I would say no.

1948-1951 the United States contributed both economic and technical assistance toward the recovery of European countries after World War II, known as the Marshall Plan. Sixteen countries accept the aid, but most communist countries reject it.

If you are trying to argue the world would be better off without the US I would not mention the Marshall Plan.

June 28 1948, the US flew supplies into the Western-held sectors of Berlin over the blockade during 1948-1949, known as the Berlin Airlift

Those dastardly Americans.

U.S. financial and military support of the Republic of China, that began during the Sino-Japanese War and through World War II, continued against the People's Liberation Army.
1950s

Your point is what? Wait a minute, it's not your point now is it?

Funding of French Indochina War from 1945 until 1954.

Bad investment that's for sure.

Korean War from 1950 until 1953: After communist North Koreans invade South Korea, the UN, with every nation voting "yea" except for Yugoslavia that abstained, approves military support for South Korea, involving over a dozen countries including the US.

Now which part of Korea would you want to live in?

U.S. (CIA) and UK (MI-6) succeed in removal of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran

Something not to be proud of that's for sure. By the way, you did know your own country was involved as well?

I have more but unfortunately I have other things I have to do today.

To be continued.................
 
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