SIck Police

[AC AA LA FA]

As stated above-there are many differences in return to work status for crewmembers vs ground staff/mgmt. Medicaly and logisticly being in an airplane for hours and away from home while the least bit sick benefits nobody. Passing on to others or hindering your own healing while on board makes matters worse and in the long run costs more money. I am not saying that there is no abuse..sure there is..but I think that management still after all these years, is out of touch with what it means to be sick and fly..I for one would error on the side of caution when planning my return to duty. For myself and the pax sake-and have taken flack fron flt svc for doing so..

 

[RV4]

From the sound of things, it appears AA management may not have saved the airline from cash burn or the BK Judge.

Typical, managment at AA is incapable of making the change, so they allow the unions to manage the company, and this results in a bigger disaster than incompetent management.

Disgruntled workforce is more costly than any pay, benefit, or work rule!

Get retrained, find another job before this is over.

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 4/29/2003 909 AM A77IGW wrote:

Mr olsen how does one go about reporting possible sick abuse...I know someone that has over 48 occurences in 3 years

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What kind of a sniviling Rat are you?

Maybe you should be paying more attention to your job than other peoples attendance record. The company has people to monitor attendance, they are called Supervisors. 48 occurances in three years? What are you doing writing down when other people are absent? Management must be fully aware of that persons record. Maybe the person is on FMLA or has cancer. You are disgusting.

 

I am the type of employee that thinks it is unfair that their are people out there abusing the sick policy. I think it is unfair for others to have to put up with useless employees that abuse their privlidges. But you are probably one of those. I happen to know alot about the situation and know first hand the lies and abuse this particular person is doing to his fellow co workers and company. Keep the things you know nothing about to yourself

 

[FWAAA]

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On 5/2/2003 10:42:52 AM Bob Owens wrote:

What kind of a sniviling Rat are you?

Maybe you should be paying more attention to your job than other peoples attendance record. The company has people to monitor attendance, they are called Supervisors. 48 occurances in three years? What are you doing writing down when other people are absent? Management must be fully aware of that persons record. Maybe the person is on FMLA or has cancer. You are disgusting.

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Must be a real treat working with you.

 

[Connected1]

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On 5/2/2003 10:42:52 AM Bob Owens wrote:

Maybe you should be paying more attention to your job than other peoples attendance record.
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You know, Bob, we''re not at the old schoolyard anymore. In the workplace, where professionals are expected to do honest work for honest pay, your coworkers'' attendance (or lack thereof) can have a significant effect on your own job. I, for one, am the type of employee who gets stuck holding the bag more often than not. That''s when the attendance of people like you becomes my business. If you''re uncomfortable with that, then I guess I''m doing my job right.

 

[Ch. 12]

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On 5/1/2003 8:30:50 PM AC AA LA FA wrote:

As stated above-there are many differences in return to work status for crewmembers vs ground staff/mgmt. Medicaly and logisticly being in an airplane for hours and away from home while the least bit sick benefits nobody. Passing on to others or hindering your own healing while on board makes matters worse and in the long run costs more money. I am not saying that there is no abuse..sure there is..but I think that management still after all these years, is out of touch with what it means to be sick and fly..I for one would error on the side of caution when planning my return to duty. For myself and the pax sake-and have taken flack fron flt svc for doing so..

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This thinking and that of Mach is disturbing. EVERYBODY faces the same "challenges" when they are "the least bit sick". Almost every work environment (office, factory, etc) has to deal with the same issues of "passing it on" or "hindering their own healing" but the mentality in other environments is that if you are healthy enough to be at the beach, you sure had better be at work instead. The added "vulnerability" of F/A''s also came up on a recent flight where the F/A''s were complaining to me about how their managment was insensitive and didn''t realize that their workday was actually longer than x-hours because they had to drive into work. "So does everybody else" was what I would have liked to have said but I was polite. It''s very disturbing to me that there are some (probably a vast minority-hopefully) that have this thinking about work rules. If you''re too sick to work, you''re too sick to leave the house/hotel. The beach will "hinder" your healing more than anything. And what about "passing it on" to others at the beach? Isn''t that a concern? Or are you just that much more compassionate towards your co-workers?

 

[AC AA LA FA]

When did a theraputic visit to the beach come up in my post? Funny-I cant remember the last time I thought the beach would be a better place to recover than in bed at home...close to my health care providers and people who will look over me. I hear what you are saying...ya ther is abuse by ALL employees..but when people are lumped into that catagory-because their occourences translate differently..ie ground/crew..that is not far either.

Mgmt. has personal days,flexability to sched their work days to meet certian appointments/commitments re their health. Crewmwmbers dont have that luxury all the time. Also..most ground empl. work with in a hour of their home. When you are gone for up to 3 days-you better be sure you are good to go..well and able to perform within a team effectivly-you cant leave the office early or go home if a fever comes on or you start puking you guts out....

Its irresponsible to abuse sick time..and its irresponsible to go to work sick..
Calling the 1 800 nAArc-hotline-or tracking your co workers attendance does nothing but make you look stupid....

The 3x per year policy at flt svc seems to intimadate most F/As...there is no longer a lost time problem..and people with serious health issues now have strict guidelines and limitations to FMLV when calling in sick.......

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/2/2003 1206 PM A77IGW wrote:

I am the type of employee that thinks it is unfair that their are people out there abusing the sick policy. I think it is unfair for others to have to put up with useless employees that abuse their privlidges. But you are probably one of those. I happen to know alot about the situation and know first hand the lies and abuse this particular person is doing to his fellow co workers and company. Keep the things you know nothing about to yourself

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Maybe you should take you own advice.

You are the one who keeps track of other peoples attendance.

 

[Bob Owens]

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On 5/2/2003 1:53:33 PM Connected1 wrote:


You know, Bob, we''re not at the old schoolyard anymore. In the workplace, where professionals are expected to do honest work for honest pay, your coworkers'' attendance (or lack thereof) can have a significant effect on your own job. I, for one, am the type of employee who gets stuck holding the bag more often than not. That''s when the attendance of people like you becomes my business. If you''re uncomfortable with that, then I guess I''m doing my job right.

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Attendance of people like me? What is that supposed to mean?

I concentrate on doing my job when at work, not keeping track of my coworkers attendance. Like I said, thats managements job. Management is aware of their abscence, what business is it of mine?

What do you resent the fact that you may have to work a little harder?

 

[highflyskyguy]

The sick policy is crap. You can only be sick 3 times in a rolling 12 month period??? Geez, thats awful. And the sick policy costs the company major money...and now it costs you more. FMLA is so encouraged that people use it all the time. Think of it, I am home with a cold, no biggie, but I can''t work because my ears are blocked. So I go to the Dr for FMLA, and it goes on the insurace...now, repeat that case for a lot of flight crew. Wonder why your paying more for medical coverage now???

 

[Mach85ER]

 

[Mach85ER]

"This thinking and that of Mach is disturbing. EVERYBODY faces the same "challenges" when they are "the least bit sick". Almost every work environment (office, factory, etc) has to deal with the same issues of "passing it on" or "hindering their own healing" but the mentality in other environments is that if you are healthy enough to be at the beach, you sure had better be at work instead. The added "vulnerability" of F/A''s also came up on a recent flight where the F/A''s were complaining to me about how their managment was insensitive and didn''t realize that their workday was actually longer than x-hours because they had to drive into work. "So does everybody else" was what I would have liked to have said but I was polite. It''s very disturbing to me that there are some (probably a vast minority-hopefully) that have this thinking about work rules. If you''re too sick to work, you''re too sick to leave the house/hotel. The beach will "hinder" your healing more than anything. And what about "passing it on" to others at the beach? Isn''t that a concern? Or are you just that much more compassionate towards your co-workers? "

Ch 12,

A couple of points. First, as I mentioned, if your caught bricklaying while on a back injury sick leave, you should deal with the consequences.

Second, if any pilot or flight attendant starts justifying arguments on a days
work with added commuting time, they are wrong and in the minority. We are paid to show up for work rested and healthy. Even if that means coming in the night before and staying in a hotel.

Now on to sick use for flight crew. The points you made do not take into the account the differences for flight crews relating to illnesses. As a pilot, I can''t comment for the flight attendants, but even a slight illness can have a great affect on safety in the cockpit. For example, a minor head cold. In over a decade, I never had a cold that would have kept me out of a ground job. I have had more than few that I have flown with and finally just called in sick with all of them now. With even a minor cold, an ear blockage can occur very easily. It can happen very suddenly and be very painful along with a near total loss of hearing. Shuffling papers at a desk while waiting for the Sudafed to kick in is a rather benign event compared to deviating around TRW''s and diverting due to low fuel while barley being able to hear the other pilot speak.
I''ve had this happen to me in South America. Oxygen masks aren''t designed to "hack" into with a cold. Things just don''t go very smoothly while trying to clear your mask while flying and not suffer the effects of a 14,000'' pressure altitude at 5:00am.
The "runs" are another example. The over the counter remedys might work well at your desk, but they have different effects after 9 hours at a 8% humidity level. Added to that is the security issue of unneccessary cockpit door openings and lack of the crewmember in the cockpit.

These are just a couple of examples. It is different for flight crewmembers. Simple problems can have a devasting effect. I know of one "company guy" who didn''t take sick leave due to a head cold. He self medicated and ended up on total disability when the pressure changes fried the balance functions in his ears. This is one example. I never could figure out why this company would have a 1st year flight attendant hack all over a 35 year 777 captain so he ends up taking enough sick leave in a short time equal 6 months of that FA''s pay.

Just stay home.

 

[Mach85ER]

 

[Mach85ER]