Should Us Airways Fas Make 70,000/yr

[UseYourHead]

I fly International and the senior FAs are pulling down north of 70,000 year.

Granted they have many years of seniority; however, a Learjet pilot is lucky to make that out on the job market (and the way things are going airline pilots too).

So, with all do respect PITBull, with the judge about to render a judgement, and all the talk of what is and is not fair, I am asking you as you are a FA.

What is a fair wage for this craft (Flight Attendant)?

Respectfully,

UYH

 

[700UW]

Is $200,000 fair for a pilot who flies a plane from point a to b, (we all know the auto pilot does most of it) or a mechanic who fixes an airplane and is liable both criminally and civilly until someone else changes the part or system he or she worked on?

Pilot flies a two hour flight, a mechanic is liable sometimes for years and years.

And the only way for a F/A to make that kind of money at US is to work double the normal flight hours. And that is according to Dan Kasper the Company's expert that testified in court Tuesday.

What you say is hearsay.

Was it fair pre-paycuts that you made $300,000 a year for being a babysitter?

It is amazing that 99.9% of the pilots will refuse an A/C because the Autopilot is on MEL. Don't you get paid to fly or do you donate your wages to the computer?

 

[700UW]

Is it fair that you voted to pay your MDA pilots less then what the smaller F28 paid?

Is it fair that your MDA F/O makes $38,000 a year?

 

[wings396]

Considering that they live out of a suitcase, and that they are not home that often, I would say yes they do deserve that much after several years of service. How many F/A's left the Airlines after 9/11? Would you feel comfortable doing your job after that? Having to deal with the amount of " Air Rage" today is worth it alone.

 

[PSA1979]

Actually, with the reduced wages the total for an International f/a max could be 66,119 per year. Of course that is with senior pay, flying Rome the highest paid trip and working 6 trips per month. Since there is only one flight a day, 30/6 = 7. So you are quoting the salary of 7 f/a's that can be lucky enough to be able to hold those trips. And this is being gone 18 days a month, not counting commuting. The rest of us don't even see any where near that. At one time I made 70,000 pre 9/11. If I am forced to take a 23%, I will only make 40,000. The way I figure it that is a 43% pay cut. And it doesn't even count the difference in benefits ( health ins used to be 42.00 per month and now is 255.00 per month)

I would expect after working at a company for over 25 years that the salary would progressively get better. Otherwise, why would one stay? I started out making only $9,000 per year in the late 70's. And in the late 80's when US Air bought PSA, I made more than I will after this potential cut.

And if you multiply the 31.00 per hour by 71 hours then divide it by 208 ( 4 day trips at 13 hour days each is 52 hours per week times 4 per month) you get only $10.58 per hour. And that is not counting time away from home.

What is fair? I don't know, but I do know that this company is out to rape us all and they aren't willing to share in the pain. I heard the inflight staff only had to take about a 7% cut. And I'm sure they all got their 4% back, so 3% compared to 23% for me? I don't think so!

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I would expect after working at a company for over 25 years that the salary would progressively get better. Otherwise, why would one stay?

[post="191097"][/post]​

I agree... why would you stay? I'm not sold on the idea that a F/A's abilities, skill and value to passengers increases in relationship to the pay that seniority provides. I want a flight attendent that can put a unruly passenger into a headlock and restain him in his seat. That's a qualification I'm looking for. Being sweet and gentile... eh... fine for some folks.. but you want me to pay for it?

 

[PSA1979]

I want a flight attendent that can put a unruly passenger into a headlock and restain him in his seat. That's a qualification I'm looking for. Being sweet and gentile... eh... fine for some folks.. but you want me to pay for it?

[post="191112"][/post]​

Ok, but are YOU willing to pay for the training to make F/a's into police officers? 6 months in an academy at let's say 3000 pay a month = $18,000. That's a lot of moolah to get what you want. Now for me, I already did that, so I can put you in a head lock, slap tuff cuffs on you if you don't put your bag under your seat or your seat back up!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I fly International and the senior FAs are pulling down north of 70,000 year.

What is a fair wage for this craft?

[post="191072"][/post]​

I won't go into the specifics of your F/A example because I honestly don't know what the F/A's make and don't really care.

Your question assumes that there is some "fairness" standard that should apply to anyone when it comes to pay vs work. You might want to be careful what you ask for.

There are many out there doing what you and I do, except they're doing it in small planes and doing all the paperwork, filing the flight plans, operating single pilot in all kinds of weather, and all without an autopilot. And making 15% of what I do. Is that fair?

When someone with no experience running a major airline walks in the door and makes $750K per plus equal bonus, then leaves after a couple of years of failure with $4.5 mil is that fair?

No, my friend, fairness in not a part of the equation except for this - fair is what anyone or their union can negotiate for them. Or if not fair, at least reality. If the F/A's (or any other group) can negotiate $200K per year while we're willing to accept $100K, that is life. More power to them and shame on us.

So be careful of starting down the road of "I'm willing to work for X so I can tell you what you're worth". There are many out there that feel you and I are way overpaid. If you want the right to tell others what they're worth, they have the same right with respect to your worth...

Jim

 

[PHL]

Is $200,000 fair for a pilot who flies a plane from point a to b, (we all know the auto pilot does most of it).......It is amazing that 99.9% of the pilots will refuse an A/C because the Autopilot is on MEL. Don't you get paid to fly or do you donate your wages to the computer?

That's a short-sighted, obtuse angle of looking at the responsibilities of the Pilot in Command. And, does USAirways' company policy actually allow an aircraft to leave the gate with an INOP autopilot? Does *ANY* US Airline allow that?

Pilots love to hand fly any bird. But the simple fact is that an autopilot is an excellent tool to use to get the job done better and safer. It significantly reduces the cockpit workload, which contributes to a more alert and sharp pilot.

For you to be so shallow to suggest that the pilots are there to babysit a computer is absurd.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And, does USAirways' company policy actually allow an aircraft to leave the gate with an INOP autopilot? Does *ANY* US Airline allow that?

For you to be so shallow to suggest that the pilots are there to babysit a computer is absurd.

[post="191136"][/post]​

Actually, the answer is yes. There may be some exceptions, but every plane I've flown can have the autopilot inop and still be dispatched.

And no, we're not there to babysit the autopilot. We're there to blame when things go wrong....


Jim

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Is $200,000 fair for a pilot who flies a plane from point a to b, (we all know the auto pilot does most of it) or a mechanic who fixes an airplane and is liable both criminally and civilly until someone else changes the part or system he or she worked on?

[post="191073"][/post]​

Is it fair a cleaner poop scooper can make near or more what a mechanic makes and then makes a career out of it? Daddy what do you do?

 

[amt4u]

how much are the f/a worth ? (wages) l
lets look at what they do. .. they do serve drinks and tell you to secure yuor seat belt
welcome you to the plane and wish you well when you deplane.

ITS THE SAME VERBAGE USED AT ANY PUB,BAR,P&M OPERATION IN THE WORLD;and this servers get minimum WAGE PLUS TIPS no benefits.

F/A should be abolished, a computer generated voice can handle all announcements
a SODA POP MACHINE at each end of the a/c should handle the customer thrist needs
put the F/O to wave people of the plane.
DONT EVEN GET IN TO THE SAFETY ISSUE !!! if there is a crash .... we all know there is nothing left.

JUST A THOUGHT.

 

[amt4u]

how much are the f/a worth ? (wages) l
lets look at what they do. .. they do serve drinks and tell you to secure yuor seat belt
welcome you to the plane and wish you well when you deplane.

ITS THE SAME VERBAGE USED AT ANY PUB,BAR,P&M OPERATION IN THE WORLD;and this servers get minimum WAGE PLUS TIPS no benefits.

F/A should be abolished, a computer generated voice can handle all announcements
a SODA POP MACHINE at each end of the a/c should handle the customer thrist needs
put the F/O to wave people of the plane.
DONT EVEN GET IN TO THE SAFETY ISSUE !!! if there is a crash .... we all know there is nothing left.

JUST A THOUGHT. :down: h34r: :angry:

 

[ClueByFour]

I fly International and the senior FAs are pulling down north of 70,000 year.

Granted they have many years of seniority; however, a Learjet pilot is lucky to make that out on the job market (and the way things are going airline pilots too).

[post="191072"][/post]​

You can blame the pilot problem squarely on ALPA. It's silly that someone flying a 500 knot twinjet across the ocean makes $250k where someone flying a 500 knot twinjet from ORD-PIT and back 6 times/day is making $20k.

Bearing that inequity in mind, I'd leave the FAs alone.

 

[Hula Girl]

It is no longer a career, merely a job. $70,000 is outrageous. When other flight attendants at other airlines are being paid much less to do the same job, well USAirways is justified in seeking to lower pay that that level. And the 'what if there is an accident' arguement doesn't hold water with me. I flew with many, many flight attendants who never ever saw even the need to break out a bandaid for a passenger much less turn on the defibrillator. It kills me that some on this board think that qualifies them to get paid for what they think they are worth.