Ruling Blocks Ual Jet Seizure

Mr. McTiernan stated: "The Colonists did more than dump tea. They fought for what was right. "

I would certainly think that this would be open to various levels of interpretations depending on what one side views the past recalcitrance and impertinent behavour of the colonialists :lol:
Living under the rule of the Crown is not the unmitigated horror that you present it to be. Although I am not a monarchist, I say that we could let all be forgiven and bring the original 13 back into the fold B)

World Traveler: I would agree with you on both of your points - the first being the protectionist stance re. aviation accords. The amount of money at stake in this field, is for us, a significant economic interest. Not having a sound historical basis on which to move forward, we lean on the crutch of looking at the American de-regulation of its domestic air market. I know - this comparison is fraught with pitfalls if not outright non-applicablity. Yet, there are some lessons to be gleaned and we are proceeding cautiously and from a posture of defence.
Second, I would agree that there have been glimmers of financial rigour in both England and on the Continent. Where I often however, have more questions than answers is the role in the government of dampening or making soft the landing when an indsutry is so radically reformed. When the coal industry collapsed in the North and Wales, there was much jubilation from the swanks that the poor colliers with disease encrusted lungs finally got their comeuppance. Well, the party in the City (London proper and the financial district for those who have never visited) did not last long. The social costs of this collapse are still being felt today. In the haste to usher in the reform a lot of damage was done. I know, I know, the collier with an IQ of 89 should have recognized what was wrong, taken off to Oxford to read law, and then set up a sign in the City where he could rake in packets of money. Unfortunately the reality has been otherwise. Do these changes need to take place? Yes! I only look to the social and political leaders to take a long look before they let the broadsword make its cuts. Guide the process if you will with a sense of noblesse. Does the social gain of a cheap air ticket have an efficacious effect on the entire economic and social body of the nation? The question to be at least asked while the economy moves through its evolution.
Cheers
 
goingboeing said:
This is just one of numerous examples of why chapter 11 is killing the airline business.
The creditors are the RIGHTFUL OWNERS of the mentioned aircraft and should be able to reposess them.
The Creditors have a right to earn a profit with their investment and a DICTATOR JUDGE has interfered with that right.
Chapter 11 laws need to be stomped out ASAP so the airline business can get back to profitability.
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Have been busy for a couple days and haven't seen these posts...

Well, if creditors didn't like the risk potential, the could have always increased the lease rates to begin with, or could have lended to other folks.

There is always a risk in contracts that Chapter 11 will come into play. And I don't understand why Chap. 11 laws need to be stomped out ASAP "so tha the airline business can get back to profitability." Its part of the American legal system.
 
"Well, if creditors didn't like the risk potential, the could have always increased the lease rates to begin with, or could have lended to other folks."

Caution Itrade - reasonable thinking such as that is only allowed on the fifth Tuesday of every month!

Goingboeing - I am perplexed by your claim that the Creditors have a 'right' to earn a profit on their investment. I would have rather thought it that the Creditors have an 'opportunity' to earn a profit if they can. Very slight nuance in the wording is there not? I believe Itrade makes this point well.
Cheers
 
I hope u dont get snowed out in the parking lot at the Christmas party. Or will it be in one of leased out hangers? I can't imagine someone who works for a rag like F9 showing so much arrogance. I blow more wind out of my ass when I fart then for little fully loaded 737s. Your day is coming trailer park fly boy. And when you wake up you will be :down: in Kansas loser
 
ebwgs said:
I hope u dont get snowed out in the parking lot at the Christmas party. Or will it be in one of leased out hangers? I can't imagine someone who works for a rag like F9 showing so much arrogance. I blow more wind out of my ass when I fart then for little fully loaded 737s. Your day is coming trailer park fly boy. And when you wake up you will be :down: in Kansas loser
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ebwgs,
Who is it that is upsetting you like this?
 
I guess, for the people here who really want to see Ual go under, there is reason for them to want the judge to let them take back aircraft, and make it harder for Ual to emerge from bk.
For those who are just interested in wanting Ual to become solvent, here is a good explanation of what bk does for a company.

(Chapter 11

U.S. Law.
a section of the Bankruptcy Code that provides for the reorganization of an insolvent corporation under court supervision and can establish a schedule for the payment of debts and, in some cases, a new corporation that can continue to do business. Also,Chap'ter Elev'en,Chapter XI.)

What I can't understand is why someone would want to change the laws of bk.
A company who gets down on their luck because of outside influences, and if they can still operate, will be able to pay off their debt over a period of time seems to be the way to go.
Everyone is a winner.
The flip side is the company goes out og business and no one gets their money back.
Or it is a nickle on the dollar.
 
EBWQS,

No it won't be in an empty hangar, it will be held in the VIP section of the NEW Colorado Convention Center. Last year we had it in the Press Box Area of the Pepsi Center. F9 throws VERY Classy parties! :up: I can't remember EVER having any kind of a nice party at UniTED when I worked there. Even when they were raking in billions they didn't have a party! And, get a clue EBWQS!!!! We only have five, count 'em (5) 737's still in operation. Those will ALL be gone or out of service by APRIL. So spout about things you know about OK! UniTED SUX'S, PERIOD! :p
 
mrfish3726 said:
EBWQS,

No it won't be in an empty hangar, it will be held in the VIP section of the NEW Colorado Convention Center. Last year we had it in the Press Box Area of the Pepsi Center. F9 throws VERY Classy parties! :up: I can't remember EVER having any kind of a nice party at UniTED when I worked there. Even when they were raking in billions they didn't have a party! And, get a clue EBWQS!!!! We only have five, count 'em (5) 737's still in operation. Those will ALL be gone or out of service by APRIL. So spout about things you know about OK! UniTED SUX'S, PERIOD! :p
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Fish,
I was wondering if you can help me out here? I am trying to figure out how to put someone on ignore. Can you help me out?
 
Sure but I think you already know, probably just trying to bust my balls! Click on my screenname and select IGNOR OK!
 
Ukridge said:
Mr. McTiernan stated: "The Colonists did more than dump tea. They fought for what was right. "

I would certainly think that this would be open to various levels of interpretations depending on what one side views the past recalcitrance and impertinent behavour of the colonialists :lol:
Living under the rule of the Crown is not the unmitigated horror that you present it to be. Although I am not a monarchist, I say that we could let all be forgiven and bring the original 13 back into the fold B)

World Traveler: I would agree with you on both of your points - the first being the protectionist stance re. aviation accords. The amount of money at stake in this field, is for us, a significant economic interest. Not having a sound historical basis on which to move forward, we lean on the crutch of looking at the American de-regulation of its domestic air market. I know - this comparison is fraught with pitfalls if not outright non-applicablity. Yet, there are some lessons to be gleaned and we are proceeding cautiously and from a posture of defence.
Second, I would agree that there have been glimmers of financial rigour in both England and on the Continent. Where I often however, have more questions than answers is the role in the government of dampening or making soft the landing when an indsutry is so radically reformed. When the coal industry collapsed in the North and Wales, there was much jubilation from the swanks that the poor colliers with disease encrusted lungs finally got their comeuppance. Well, the party in the City (London proper and the financial district for those who have never visited) did not last long. The social costs of this collapse are still being felt today. In the haste to usher in the reform a lot of damage was done. I know, I know, the collier with an IQ of 89 should have recognized what was wrong, taken off to Oxford to read law, and then set up a sign in the City where he could rake in packets of money. Unfortunately the reality has been otherwise. Do these changes need to take place? Yes! I only look to the social and political leaders to take a long look before they let the broadsword make its cuts. Guide the process if you will with a sense of noblesse. Does the social gain of a cheap air ticket have an efficacious effect on the entire economic and social body of the nation? The question to be at least asked while the economy moves through its evolution.
Cheers
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Interpret it as you will. My point was that when people are faced with unfair rule then those people should do one of two things. 1) Sit back and continue to live in fear. 2) Act within the boundries of law and fight for what is right.

I do not wish the demise of UAL. Just the opposite. I wish to help my fellow union brothers & sisters to be compensated for their responsibilities. I wish to help them fight against greedy, inept airline management.

Living under the Crown's Rule was not so bad for the Colonists. It was living under the British Parliament without representation that was bad. Kinda like living under the "Company's Rule" only we pay for representation and don't get it.
 
Fish, I hope a 'high-class' affair, in your case, doesn't mean wearing McDonalds Ketchup all over your clip-on tie, and mustard on your double-knit polyester pants. Maybe if you kiss enough of your bosses' arses, they might even let you open a door for 'em. Please, by all means, don't write down anything on paper. Have a great time! :cold:
 
MY MY RAT BOY,

Polyester, no way the fish isn't some country hick trailer trash there RAT BOY! I got my own $800 TUX dude (not a rental) and $350 BRUNO MAGLIS. Got a hotel and limo already booked for me and my SEXY MAMA! :D And believe me RAT BOY the fish has never kissed anyones a$$. I get the jobs I want by experience and merit alone and nothing else DUDE. See the difference beteen ME and YOU is I still have my self respect and dignity. :up:

And the difference between being employed by F9 and UniTED is that we are a pretty tight group and have alot of fun and WE respect all the other work groups here! We all work together as a team! Quite a concept HUH????
 
mrfish3726 said:
MY MY RAT BOY,

Polyester, no way the fish isn't some country hick trailer trash there RAT BOY! I got my own $800 TUX dude (not a rental) and $350 BRUNO MAGLIS. Got a hotel and limo already booked for me and my SEXY MAMA!
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Mr. Fish,

I'm impressed...your own $800 Tux,$350 Bruno Maglis just like O.J,
Booked a limo and hotel. How much are you paying for the "Sexy Mama"?
 
Cloud I am married to the sexy MAMA, I pay for that everyday same as any other married man. But when their gorgeous, sweet, and sexy we all do stupid things sometimes. B)
 
Fish,
I for one hope you have a great time even if there ain't going to be one for us. Drink a few for the rest of us here. :up:
 

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