Repeating the past?

[Ken MacTiernan]

MCI asked,

"------ Maybe that should be an open question to this board! ------ Do you see another TWA in AA's near future? If so, how do you feel it should be handled?----- Remember! This thread does ask for a "bottom line" opinion!"


I do hope UAL & Delta merge. For one, such a merger will enable AMFA to represent more AMTs. Hopefully Delta management will govern the "new" airline and boot out the inept tools running UAL.

As for AA? Well, I do not think this merger will compell AA to merge/buy again. However, I believe there are contingent plans/options being looked at as future options if needed. I think maybe buying Alaska Airlines would be viable. But who knows? With AA getting ready to buy new aircraft another Boeing fleet airline would be a plus. Also, perhaps AA is wanting that "extention proposal" for a reason such as this topic suggests?

Hang on. The future should be fun!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

MCI asked,

"------ Maybe that should be an open question to this board! ------ Do you see another TWA in AA's near future? If so, how do you feel it should be handled?----- Remember! This thread does ask for a "bottom line" opinion!"


I do hope UAL & Delta merge. For one, such a merger will enable AMFA to represent more AMTs. Hopefully Delta management will govern the "new" airline and boot out the inept tools running UAL.

As for AA? Well, I do not think this merger will compell AA to merge/buy again. However, I believe there are contingent plans/options being looked at as future options if needed. I think maybe buying Alaska Airlines would be viable. But who knows? With AA getting ready to buy new aircraft another Boeing fleet airline would be a plus. Also, perhaps AA is wanting that "extention proposal" for a reason such as this topic suggests?

Hang on. The future should be fun!

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Count me in Ken, I'm with you.

It WILL be interesting to see what happens.
I for one, GREATLY applaud the LONG OVERDUE start to Industry consolidation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that AA will "stand pat" in the beginning, but if standing "pat" does not work out best for AA, then IMHO a quick glance would reveal limited options. First off, with the LONE exception of the LCC "shuttle", LCC would never be an AA option,..NEVER.

That would leave NW/AS/CO.

CO has carved out a real nice niche for itself(with delay prone EWR, being it's lone headache)
But quite honestly, I don't see CO really bringing much to the AA table(Yup, I'm aware of CO's 787 orders)

Moving on, IF AA "must make a move", and AS provided AA with the "numbers" $$$ AA needs, well so be it.

If NOT, then it would be NW, which would bring a LOT to AA.(And it would (selfishly) fulfill "my" DREAM TEAM.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

MCI asked,

"------ Maybe that should be an open question to this board! ------ Do you see another TWA in AA's near future? If so, how do you feel it should be handled?----- Remember! This thread does ask for a "bottom line" opinion!"


I do hope UAL & Delta merge. For one, such a merger will enable AMFA to represent more AMTs. Hopefully Delta management will govern the "new" airline and boot out the inept tools running UAL.

As for AA? Well, I do not think this merger will compell AA to merge/buy again. However, I believe there are contingent plans/options being looked at as future options if needed. I think maybe buying Alaska Airlines would be viable. But who knows? With AA getting ready to buy new aircraft another Boeing fleet airline would be a plus. Also, perhaps AA is wanting that "extention proposal" for a reason such as this topic suggests?

Hang on. The future should be fun!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Count me in Ken, I'm with you.

It WILL be interesting to see what happens.
I for one, GREATLY applaud the LONG OVERDUE start to Industry consolidation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that AA will "stand pat" in the beginning, but if standing "pat" does not work out best for AA, then IMHO a quick glance would reveal limited options. First off, with the LONE exception of the LCC "shuttle", LCC would never be an AA option,..NEVER.

That would leave NW/AS/CO.

CO has carved out a real nice niche for itself(with delay prone EWR, being it's lone headache)
But quite honestly, I don't see CO really bringing much to the AA table(Yup, I'm aware of CO's 787 orders)

Moving on, IF AA "must make a move", and AS provided AA with the "numbers" $$$ AA needs, well so be it.

If NOT, then it would be NW, which would bring a LOT to AA.(And it would (selfishly) fulfill "my" DREAM TEAM.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

MCI asked,

"------ Maybe that should be an open question to this board! ------ Do you see another TWA in AA's near future? If so, how do you feel it should be handled?----- Remember! This thread does ask for a "bottom line" opinion!"


I do hope UAL & Delta merge. For one, such a merger will enable AMFA to represent more AMTs. Hopefully Delta management will govern the "new" airline and boot out the inept tools running UAL.

As for AA? Well, I do not think this merger will compell AA to merge/buy again. However, I believe there are contingent plans/options being looked at as future options if needed. I think maybe buying Alaska Airlines would be viable. But who knows? With AA getting ready to buy new aircraft another Boeing fleet airline would be a plus. Also, perhaps AA is wanting that "extention proposal" for a reason such as this topic suggests?

Hang on. The future should be fun!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Count me in Ken, I'm with you.

It WILL be interesting to see what happens.
I for one, GREATLY applaud the LONG OVERDUE start to Industry consolidation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that AA will "stand pat" in the beginning, but if standing "pat" does not work out best for AA, then IMHO a quick glance would reveal limited options. First off, with the LONE exception of the LCC "shuttle", LCC would never be an AA option,..NEVER.

That would leave NW/AS/CO.

CO has carved out a real nice niche for itself(with delay prone EWR, being it's lone headache)
But quite honestly, I don't see CO really bringing much to the AA table(Yup, I'm aware of CO's 787 orders)

Moving on, IF AA "must make a move", and AS provided AA with the "numbers" $$$ AA needs, well so be it.

If NOT, then it would be NW, which would bring a LOT to AA.(And it would (selfishly) fulfill "my" DREAM TEAM.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

If there actually is going to be any consolidation happening I see AA being the "Regulatory Reliever" like they were in 2000 with the UA/US merger,taking X amount of gates in city Y in order to alleviate anti trust concerns,that sort of thing.

I really don't think the company would be foolish enough to go out and spend a billion or three whilst crying poor mouth in labor negotiations.Then again, this is AA management we're talking about here...

I thought CO/UA was supposed to be the consolidation flavor of the month? How about AA/CO? Put the NYC area on lock down...

With CO management running the show that might be interesting.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----- Hey Bears! We hear you in surround sound! ---- But if it would happen, my question was, "How would it be handled?" :unsure: Would their employees have DOH senority, sloted in, or stapled?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

<_< ----- Hey Bears! We hear you in surround sound! ---- But if it would happen, my question was, "How would it be handled?" :unsure: Would their employees have DOH senority, sloted in, or stapled?

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HEY MCI,..........."Quit breaking my Balls",!!!!..........My friggin' computer was "acting up on me last night" !!!!!!!

Hows your KC Chiefs ??

Want me to tell ya' how the NE Patriots are doing ????????

 

[MCI transplant]

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HEY MCI,..........."Quit breaking my Balls",!!!!..........My friggin' computer was "acting up on me last night" !!!!!!!

Hows your KC Chiefs ??

Want me to tell ya' how the NE Patriots are doing ????????

<_< ---- Don't rub it in!!!!! As for the seniority thing, I guess we'll have to wait and see! If it happens! And it will! :unsure:

 

[CynicalResAgent]

I also think AA or WN will be the one to absorb whatever needs to be shed in order for the other mergers to go thru just like when the UA/US merger was proposed years ago AA was going to take some assets.

 

[777 fixer]

I think maybe buying Alaska Airlines would be viable. But who knows?

The question is viable for who?

 

[CynicalResAgent]

The question is viable for who?

I have never read much about AS financial results but I'd imagine Horizon and their Cargo ops to Alaska contribute a lot to their bottom line. If they were aquired by AA how would AA integrate that into the system and keep what was financially positive still a positive. Would Horizon go to Eagle and does AA have a cargo only division anymore? (I thought AS had some freighters and some Combi's, I read they retired the Mud Hens)

 

[777 fixer]

I have never read much about AS financial results but I'd imagine Horizon and their Cargo ops to Alaska contribute a lot to their bottom line. If they were aquired by AA how would AA integrate that into the system and keep what was financially positive still a positive. Would Horizon go to Eagle and does AA have a cargo only division anymore? (I thought AS had some freighters and some Combi's, I read they retired the Mud Hens)

Alaska seems to do well in their niche market, west coast north/south routes along with operations into remote Alaskan towns. They do have a small fleet of four 737-400 Combi's and one dedicated 737-400F. I'm not sure how much such a small operation like that would contribute to AA. The nly international routes they have are to Mexico. IMHO I don't think it's really worth it. Bob Crandall had it right when he swore off mergers.

 

[777 fixer]

I do hope UAL & Delta merge. For one, such a merger will enable AMFA to represent more AMTs. Hopefully Delta management will govern the "new" airline and boot out the inept tools running UAL.

The Teamsters are mounting a card drive at UAL so it might not be AMFA.

 

[mga707]

Bob Crandall had it right when he swore off mergers.

Which time? After AirCal or after his deja vu experience a decade later with Reno?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Alaska seems to do well in their niche market, west coast north/south routes along with operations into remote Alaskan towns. They do have a small fleet of four 737-400 Combi's and one dedicated 737-400F. I'm not sure how much such a small operation like that would contribute to AA. The nly international routes they have are to Mexico. IMHO I don't think it's really worth it. Bob Crandall had it right when he swore off mergers.

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"fixer",

The recent rejection of UAL, by DL(ALPA), speaks volumes IMHO, because UAL/DL would have been a good one.(Obviously for DL, a LCC/DL hook up would have been a DOG).

So I'm of the mindset NOW, that M+A's will NOT happen, and Overcapacity driven (even FURTHER)by astronomical Jet-A $$'s will be dealt with, via the "law of the Jungle".

The LONE exception very well could be UAL/LCC, with UAL aready "putting on the perfume" :blush: (To bad, that what UAL's Tilton does NOT understand, is DOUGWEISER would take "him" unshaven and unbathed)