Question To Phl Pilots

[FM2436]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

After looking at the PHL Approach Plates can anyone briefly explain to me about PHL and its ATC operations. I see RWY 9R is the only PHL runway with a CAT 2. I know the Runway separation between both 9R/27L and 9L and 27R are too close for simultaneous ILS (side-by-side) operations. But it looks like all of PHL’s precision approaches begin between 4000’ and 3000’. For ATC to shorten the separation between air carrier operations, does PHL’s ceiling need to be above 4000’? If this is the case is it any wonder PHL is a nightmarish airport. Also, anyone know if the E170 and operate from 17/35 and/or 8/26?

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPHL

 

[robbedagain]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

After looking at the PHL Approach Plates can anyone briefly explain to me about PHL and its ATC operations. I see RWY 9R is the only PHL runway with a CAT 2. I know the Runway separation between both 9R/27L and 9L and 27R are too close for simultaneous ILS (side-by-side) operations. But it looks like all of PHL’s precision approaches begin between 4000’ and 3000’. For ATC to shorten the separation between air carrier operations, does PHL’s ceiling need to be above 4000’? If this is the case is it any wonder PHL is a nightmarish airport. Also, anyone know if the E170 and operate from 17/35 and/or 8/26?

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPHL

[post="233738"][/post]​

i can tell that the emb 170 does use runway 35 frequently as i have flow on it out of phl using 17/35.

 

[ua767fo]

I see RWY 9R is the only PHL runway with a CAT 2. I know the Runway separation between both 9R/27L and 9L and 27R are too close for simultaneous ILS (side-by-side) operations

[post="233738"][/post]​

PHL is now one of a select few airports now offering ILS PRM approaches. (Not all carriers have authorization to fly these). What this means is basically that parallel ILS approaches are flown with a high precision radar monitor, and backup communications during the approach. There are prescribed 'breakout' procudures should an aircraft 'stray' into what is called the non-transgression zone' . For an aircarrier to begin the ILS PRM 26, an RVR of 40 is requiresd, for the ILS PRM 27L an RVR 24.

DENVER,CO

 

[Pacemaker]

Many of PHL's problems stem from NY Center issues, and limited taxiway and ramp space. An addtional long runway would be a plus but realistically speaking is probably impossible.

 

[phl/yyz]

Many of PHL's problems stem from NY Center issues, and limited taxiway and ramp space. An addtional long runway would be a plus but realistically speaking is probably impossible.

[post="233797"][/post]​

the problem started when the city sold the land to UPS the airport is a huge moneymaker for the city that has everyone on the take...relocate UPS add new 10000 ft 9R/27L

 

[PoorPropDriver]

I have used ILS/PRM procedures 3 times in the last 3 years. Always on a bright sunny day. There isn't enough pavement there to operate efficiently. Go to the Airport Authority website and look at their long term options for the airport, both show UPS moving.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

The city of PHL and the FAA are planning for a new runway config for PHL. One retains the UPS facility one tears it down. One builds out into the Delaware, one scews the runways, one provides for a midfield terminal.

http://www.phl.org/pdf/masterplan/newsletter03.pdf

see page 3

 

[N924PS]

The city of PHL and the FAA are planning for a new runway config for PHL. One retains the UPS facility one tears it down. One builds out into the Delaware, one scews the runways, one provides for a midfield terminal.

http://www.phl.org/pdf/masterplan/newsletter03.pdf

see page 3

[post="233831"][/post]​

Brilliant!
It should be completed just in time for WN's major PHL expansion plan which includes flights to the Caribbean and Europe.

 

[flyin2low]

For ATC to shorten the separation between air carrier operations, does PHL’s ceiling need to be above 4000’

The airport acceptance rate for PHL with a ceiling of 200 and vis 1/2 mile is between 28-32 landings per hour. The airport ATC plan involves landings only on 9R in inclement weather. The IFR operation is already at max capacity with the 28-32 operations per hour which is 3-4 miles separation on approaches. There is no other way to shorten separation any more. If you check the FIDs on any bank of flights you can easily see that way more than 28-32 landings are scheduled in an hour period. That is why ,on a crummy day, the delays are imposed by ATC. BTW the AAR for VFR ops is 50 with Rwy 35/27R/26 open.