Psa -700 Program Cancelled?

[InclusiveScope]

(Apr. 30) The Master Executive Council (MEC) Thursday night in a Special Meeting rejected a surprise proposal from the Company that would have staffed the CRJ-700 program with 100% APL pilots.

The MEC Chairman on Wednesday received a written proposal from PSA Airlines which included language that would staff the 70-seat aircraft with Jets-for-Jobs pilots exclusively. The Company also told the Association that it would cancel the CRJ-700 program unless its terms were met by Saturday, May 1.

The proposal came as a surprise to some MEC members because the Association was not involved in active negotiations.

The MEC, after discussion, voted 7-0 to support a motion by Irvin/Nagy that rejected the Company proposal and deadline. The Negotiating Committee was scheduled to notify the Company early this morning.



All -700 training has been cancelled

Does anyone know where this text came from? Is it from the PSA VARS or was it a letter from the PSA MEC? The VARS message from 4/30 is not worded the same and I was curious as to the source of this information.

 

[LGA777]

As of about Noon on Wed May 5th all 3 CRJ-700's are parked in DAY indefinatly. Last rev flight with the CR7 was US2208/5 MAY SRQ-CLT-DAY.

LGA777

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

So, no CRJ-700's flying for PSA, huh?

Interesting......

Does anyone know if Virgin is even still in the picture to possibly pick up PSA or the rest of the Express operation? I know that Mesa is still a possibility, but with Jon Ornstein's biggest cheerleader and dupe headed to the permanent locker room, I'm thinking that he has a bit less bargaining power with Lakefield calling the shots.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Inclusive,

That text seems to have come from the Local 61 website.

 

[airbiiguy]

why would virgin buy PSA? they are lookign for mainline size AC not CRJs?

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

I dunno. Maybe Richard Branson might come up with a good reason to fly smaller aircraft and serve smaller markets and make some extra cash on the side.

Of course, there is more to an airline than just aircraft.

 

[passed_over]

If the 700's are parked until a solution can be reached it. It seems that arrogance has once again won. ALPA has to be squirming in there seats as the RJ defense fund and the PFR lawsuits continue to get closer to the courtroom. Albeit still years away. Hope the guys at PSA stick to there guns and hold the 700's hostage from always arrogant mainline pilot group. J4J was what it was but they always want more.

 

[FM2436]

Could there be a connection between the apparent parking of the CRJ-700's and the rumor that was floating among the crowd when the Dash-8-400 was in SBY that Bombarbier has offered US Airways a sweetheart deal for Q-400's in exchange for CRJ-700's?

 

[ITRADE]

That is a very, very interesting observation.

Maybe US returns the CRJ-700s and enters into an agreement to transfer the CRJ-700 contracts to Q400 contracts. There is certainly a market for CRJ-700s, so the loss would not be big at all.

So, all large RJ flying goes to MidAtlantic and instead, the PSA pilots get the Q400s instead.

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Umm...wouldn't it make more sense to have Piedmont pilots for a DeHavilland aircraft than PSA pilots?

That aircraft looks like one hell of a scary ride. Being a veteran rider of the Dash-8 and enjoying every eerie sound that the engine and fuselage can produce, I think the airline would have to pay the passenger to fly it.

It's not as fast as the ERJ or CRJ, either.

 

[ITRADE]

Umm...wouldn't it make more sense to have Piedmont pilots for a DeHavilland aircraft than PSA pilots?

That aircraft looks like one hell of a scary ride. Being a veteran rider of the Dash-8 and enjoying every eerie sound that the engine and fuselage can produce, I think the airline would have to pay the passenger to fly it.

It's not as fast as the ERJ or CRJ, either.

1) Actually, I've heard that it is very quiet - almost as quiet as a standard jet.

2) On the routes where the Q would fly, the difference between the Q and a ERJ would be zero as much of the flying would be all done under the control of the ATC and you're not going to be doing much cruising between CLT and GSO.

 

[Stuka Luva]

Problem is no matter if it seats 500 and travels at Mach 9, people still won't want to fly on it because it's a Ooooo...scaaaaary turboprop. IMHO, it'd be a mistake to get 'em.

 

[ITRADE]

Problem is no matter if it seats 500 and travels at Mach 9, people still won't want to fly on it because it's a Ooooo...scaaaaary turboprop. IMHO, it'd be a mistake to get 'em.

Yup, that is the overarching concern.

I think somebody needs to fly out to PDX or SEA, ride a few Horizon Air flights and do some surveys on the perceptions of those passengers.

I do agree though, many folks see propellors and immediately think DC-3 or B-17.

 

[ITRADE]

BTW, here's AS's DH4 flight schedule. They've got about 68 daily flights out of SEA/PDX using these planes. So, they must have about 20 or 30 of 'em.

Flight Frm Departs To Arrives Typ Freq
AS 2309 PDX 2:25pm ACV 3:45pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2416 PDX 3:15pm BIL 6:15pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2339 PDX 2:00pm BOI 4:11pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2401 PDX 5:35pm BOI 7:46pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2311 PDX 6:30am BOI 8:41am DH4 MTWTFS.
AS 2325 PDX 9:17pm BOI 11:28pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2352 PDX 10:50am GEG 11:51am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2354 PDX 2:00pm GEG 3:01pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2356 PDX 5:10pm GEG 6:15pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2360 PDX 7:37am GEG 8:40am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2358 PDX 8:20pm GEG 9:21pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2307 PDX 9:15am RDD 10:35am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2308 PDX 1:30pm SEA 2:20pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2386 PDX 7:00am SEA 7:52am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2310 PDX 7:00pm SEA 7:50pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2437 PDX 10:00am SMF 11:30am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2412 SEA 8:30pm BIL 11:35pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2414 SEA 9:57am BIL 1:02pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2390 SEA 6:00am BOI 8:20am DH4 MTWTFS.
AS 2398 SEA 6:05pm BOI 8:25pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2432 SEA 7:15am BOI 9:35am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2380 SEA 8:00pm BOI 10:25pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2385 SEA 3:23pm BTM 5:52pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2384 SEA 5:00pm BZN 7:40pm DH4 .....S.
AS 2350 SEA 8:32pm BZN 11:12pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2328 SEA 9:55am BZN 12:35pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2396 SEA 4:08pm FCA 6:26pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2370 SEA 8:30pm FCA 10:48pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2374 SEA 9:57am FCA 12:15pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2424 SEA 1:00pm GEG 1:55pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2394 SEA 11:00am GEG 11:55am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2314 SEA 11:00pm GEG 11:55pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2376 SEA 2:00pm GEG 2:55pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2346 SEA 3:00pm GEG 3:55pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2346 SEA 3:00pm GEG 3:55pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2426 SEA 5:00pm GEG 5:59pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2372 SEA 6:35am GEG 7:30am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2336 SEA 7:30pm GEG 8:30pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2392 SEA 8:00am GEG 8:59am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2378 SEA 9:00am GEG 9:59am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2326 SEA 5:00pm GTF 7:34pm DH4 .....S.
AS 2324 SEA 8:36pm GTF 11:10pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2322 SEA 9:50am GTF 12:24pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2323 SEA 3:14pm HLN 5:45pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2444 SEA 4:45pm IDA 7:35pm DH4 .....S.
AS 2442 SEA 7:47pm IDA 10:35pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2368 SEA 1:40pm MSO 3:58pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2382 SEA 4:35pm MSO 6:53pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2340 SEA 8:40pm MSO 10:58pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2348 SEA 9:48am MSO 12:08pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2309 SEA 1:00pm PDX 1:45pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2389 SEA 5:30pm PDX 6:17pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2307 SEA 8:00am PDX 8:45am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2441 SEA 2:02pm PIH 4:50pm DH4 MTWTF.S
AS 2341 SEA 11:05am SUN 1:36pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2316 SEA 2:38pm YEG 5:25pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2316 SEA 2:40pm YEG 5:25pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2318 SEA 8:30pm YEG 11:20pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2318 SEA 8:30pm YEG 11:22pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2312 SEA 9:48am YEG 12:35pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2312 SEA 9:50am YEG 12:35pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2402 SEA 10:10am YVR 11:00am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2402 SEA 10:10am YVR 11:00am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2332 SEA 12:02pm YYC 2:35pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2338 SEA 2:52pm YYC 5:25pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2330 SEA 7:32am YYC 10:05am DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2334 SEA 8:46pm YYC 11:24pm DH4 MTWTFSS
AS 2078 SEA 10:15am YYJ 10:55am DH4 .T.....
AS 2070 SEA 3:15pm YYJ 3:55pm DH4 ....F..

Anyhow, did some comparisons. The PDX-SEA flights run about 52 minutes in length. In comparison a CRJ-700 flight from PDX to SEA is 49 minutes - essentially negligible.

 

[<./']>]

Anyhow, did some comparisons. The PDX-SEA flights run about 52 minutes in length. In comparison a CRJ-700 flight from PDX to SEA is 49 minutes - essentially negligible

Hell, you could fly a F-18 at 1.6M and still couldn't better that block by much. It's just not that far.