Procedures

[flybynite]

My dad was the captain and he said he didn't insist but the f/a just said she couldn't open the door, so he did it himself. The airstairs operator put them up to the 1R door due to the inop jetway blocking the 1L door. All 180+ pax (including wheelchairs) went down the stairs.

Well darling, tell your dad next time he can ask us these questions. 🙂

It was a "non normal" situation and the f/a did exactly what he/she was supposed to do.

On the Airbus, we never open the doors from the inside the aircraft. That is our procedure because the doors are hair trigger and if not done exactly right....the slide will blow.

I'm glad everything turned out well.

 

[Travelpro72]

If the door needs to be opened you can show the captain the door operation procedures in the emergency manual. If he still instructs you to open the door.......you open the door. Just have anothe f/a back you up so verify it is disarmed. The captain instructs, you do it. Not a power trip but it IS his aircraft. If the slide blew he'd take the heat.

 

[beachboy]

All I know is. BIG HANDLE BIG TROUBLE. That was drilled into my head when we first got Fee Fee aka Airbus. No reason for me to be touching that door handle unless we are in BIG TROUBLE. And if you do touch it outside an emergency there will be another form of BIG TROUBLE.

 

[Travelpro72]

I remember one time having a 4R door that would not show armed in the cockpit though the door was in the armed position. The captain had me arm it and disarm it twice then open it and close it twice per his instruction. Finally I said, "Would you mind coming to the back galley and doing the door yourself". He had no problem with it and understood my concern. We all know your never to open the airbus door. There may be an extremely extenuating circumstance when you may need to open the door besides an emergency. If the captain instructs you to deviated from procedure you bring it to his attention that it is breaking YOUR procedures set by the company and if he still wants it done....ya do it. He will be the one to take heat if something happens. Certainly with all f/a's on the same page. Though a slide blowing is a big deal, you were instructed by the captain and it is HIS airplane.

 

[Furloughd4now]

Hello all, I just had a question. My dad was the Captain aboard a west A321 flight from PHX-CLT. Upon arriving in CLT they discovered the jetway was broken and they decided to deplane by airstairs via door 1R. My dad got a call from the f/a saying she wouldn't open the door because she wasn't allowed to and the airstairs guy wouldn't either. So, my dad had to come out and open the door... What are the procedures on this?

Since WHEN do we open a door at 1R???? and then deplane from there??? I've seen/experienced a deplaning of a WC at 1R in some outstations, but this??? FOS. Wait, let me ask my Dad

 

[321_fa]

Since WHEN do we open a door at 1R???? and then deplane from there??? I've seen/experienced a deplaning of a WC at 1R in some outstations, but this??? FOS. Wait, let me ask my Dad

they couldn't maneuver the airstairs to 1L so they went with 1R.

 

[nic4us]

Though a slide blowing is a big deal, you were instructed by the captain and it is HIS airplane.

or HER airplane.

 

[Richard]

Well,

Someone just got suspended, and his post deleted, and the response which contained and referred back to that post was deleted as well.

If you can't discuss the issues rationally without insulting people, I guess we'll have to close this one too.......

Please stay on topic-- discuss the ISSUE not the PEOPLE.

Thank you.

 

[PHL]

There is not a clear passage to point out in the IEM. The first one that may apply and is the one of the first items we learn in training " 14 CFR part 91.3- The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible and the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.....

Airlines operate under 14 CFR part 121.

So, your basis is correct, but the citation is wrong.

14 CFR part 121.535 (d) (e)
(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.

(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

 

[usairfa05]

The information is straight out of the F/A IEM. There is no mistake.

 

[Travelpro72]

or HER airplane.

YIKES ! ! ! ! my mistake. You are absolutely correct. HIS or HER. Anyhow, the passage has been posted so I say the question has been answered. Close her up. 😉