Pro Gun control Mayor Bloomberg comments on the Colorado massacre

[EastCheats]

I am assuming from your response that you believe there should be some limitations on what the public should be allowed to own. Land mines and RPG's may not be a good idea to have in the hands of the public.

I would not stick a sign in my lawn warning my neighbors to keep off the grass because my yard has land mines. I also would not launch an RPG at the dog who laid his own version of a land mine on my property.

Yes, I agree that land mines and RPG's would not be necessary when just a sign would do.

 

[WantFriesWithThat?]

How many guns would you need to feel safe?

One more than the guy breaking into my house?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Some one is breaking into your house and you are on the internet?

 

[signals]

In some places you use to be able to buy bazookas. All you had to do is say you were a collector. I don't own guns, but wouldn't takethat right away from anyone. Up my way there is an increase in home invasions, and outlawing guns would make everyone a sitting duck. At least here you have a right to kill somebody if they break into your home. In Europe you will be charged with murder if you kill someone that breaks into your house.

 

[SparrowHawk]

How many guns would you need to feel safe?

If more sane people were armed the insane one would get off fewer shots.


Consider the nation of Switzerland. EVERY citizen is issued an assault rifle and taught how to use it. RESULT: Lowest Murder rate in Europe

 

[EastCheats]

If more sane people were armed the insane one would get off fewer shots.


Consider the nation of Switzerland. EVERY citizen is issued an assault and taught how to use it. RESULT: Lowest Murder rate in Europe

It's been a year since 70 people in Norway lost their lives. Maybe it's time for Norway to look the Swiss for responsible gun ownership.

Norway Remembers Massacre Victims On Anniversary
By JULIA GRONNEVET 07/22/12 09:52 AM ET

This combination photo shows file images of Anders Behring Breivik, the confessed gunman who killed 77 people last year in a bomb and shooting rampage, in court in Oslo, Norway between July 25, 2011 and Thursday June 21, 2012. (AP Photo/Scanpix NTB POOL) OSLO, Norway -- Norway on Sunday paused to commemorate the 77 victims of a bomb and gun massacre that shocked the peaceful nation one year ago, a tragedy that the prime minister said had brought Norwegians together in defense of democracy and tolerance.

Anders Behring Breivik, a 33-year-old far-right fanatic, has admitted to the July 22, 2011, attacks: a bombing of the government district in Oslo, killing eight, and a shooting rampage that left 69 dead at the left-wing Labor Party's youth camp on Utoya island.

In a wreath-laying ceremony at the bomb site, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said Breivik had failed in his declared goal of destroying Norway's commitment to being an inclusive, multicultural society.

"The bomb and the gun shots were meant to change Norway," Stoltenberg told a somber crowd of a few hundred people at the ceremony. "The Norwegian people answered by embracing our values. The perpetrator lost. The people won."

Tarps are still covering the windows of bomb-damaged buildings on the plaza, and large cement road blocks stop all but pedestrian traffic. Mounted police and officers with bomb-sniffing dogs were on the site Sunday, but the security was not overbearing, as if to show that Norway was still an open society.

The police investigation showed Breivik set off a fertilizer bomb that tore the facade of the high-rise that housed the government's headquarters, and drove toward Utoya unhindered as chaos reigned in the capital. Arriving on Utoya disguised as a police officer and armed with a handgun and semi-automatic rifle, he unleashed a shooting massacre that sent panicked teenagers fleeing into a chilly lake or hiding behind rocks to save their lives. More than half of the victims were teenagers – the youngest had turned 14 five days earlier.

Survivors and families of victims gathered for a private ceremony on the island. Eskil Pedersen, a survivor of the massacre and the head of the Labor Party's youth chapter, urged the crowd to renew their commitment to a diverse and egalitarian society.

"Today we remember those who were killed. Tomorrow we continue the fight for what they believed in," Pedersen was quoted as saying by Norwegian news agency NTB.

In a church service attended by government leaders and the royal family in Oslo's cathedral, vicar Elisabeth Thorsen urged congregants to also remember the victims of violence in other parts of the world, including Syria and the U.S., an apparent reference to the shooting spree Friday that killed 12 moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado.


Thousands of people were expected to attend a memorial concert later Sunday in downtown Oslo.

Painful memories still haunt many of those who witnessed the horror of Utoya, including Jorn Overby, a local resident who rescued survivors fleeing the island by pulling them from the water into his boat.

"Sometimes I think about the parents who lost their young ones," Overby said. "Sometimes I think about the young ones I see floating in the water and lying in the shore."

During the 10-week trial that ended in June, Breivik admitted to the attacks, but declined criminal guilt out of principle, saying the victims were traitors for embracing immigration and making Norway a multicultural society.

Prosecutors said Breivik was psychotic and should be sent to compulsory psychiatric care while his defense lawyers argued that he was sane. Breivik accused authorities of trying to discredit his ideology by casting him as mentally ill. The Oslo district court is set to deliver its ruling on Aug. 24.

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Associated Press video journalist Adam Pemble contributed to this report.

 

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It's funny that in Norway the most prison time one can get is 21 years. And even more laughable is that their prisons are the most humane in the world. They are even milder than our Country Club prisons here in the US.

 

[EastCheats]

It's funny that in Norway the most prison time one can get is 21 years. And even more laughable is that their prisons are the most humane in the world. They are even milder than our Country Club prisons here in the US.

Do they really think that a 21-year prison term and a country club setting can reform a mass murderer? If that is the case, they are welcome to see if club Norway can reform Charles Manson. Even the nutty California justice system knows better than to let Manson out.

 

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My tablet is screwing up. When I get to my PC, I will give a link that will blow your mind!

 

[Ms Tree]

Ok Mr mayor tell me Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and its a friggen war zone there right now. Libtards can never figure this out..Criminals will ALWAYS get guns no matter what gun control freaks pass as laws. It is the citizen who will be out of luck if the Bloombergs of the world have their way.

Ok Mr mayor tell me Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and its a friggen war zone there right now. Libtards can never figure this out..Criminals will ALWAYS get guns no matter what gun control freaks pass as laws. It is the citizen who will be out of luck if the Bloombergs of the world have their way.

No system is fail safe or fully secure. There will always be cracks in the system. The laws that are currently on the books regarding gun and other weapons are useless. They are useless in my opinion because they track the person not the gun and they focus on punishment after the fact rather than trying to keep the guns out of the hands of those who we know should not have them.

Lets get this Holmes case out of the way first. The guy had no record, he was a honors student and neuroscience major. He had one traffic violation, no history of violence and no run in's with the law as far as I have read so far. No law is going to stop him from getting a gun. There could have been laws limiting or prohibiting the purchase of weapons/ammo over the inter net but this guy would not have raised any red flags. The only person so far who knew something was not right was his mom.

The law does not for the most part allow someone to be arrested or incarcerated for something we are all pretty sure he will do in the future. You actually have to break the law first and actually do something. The exceptions are conspiracy but you are actually putting the wheels in motion so that is an action as far as the law is concerned.

Guns are a part of the US. That will never change. The government will never be able to take them away. To many people have far too many weapons for that to ever happen and if the government were to even try, I doubt it would be a peaceful venture. Yes there have been isolated cases where certain types of weapons were banned but they are still out there. We all know that.

I want to see guns treated like cars or houses. You can have what ever gun you want but it must be licensed.

Every gun should be titled at it's point of manufacture and that title must be transferred at every transfer of ownership.

Every gun should be 'finger printed' at point of manufacture. Each gun has a unique signature it puts on the shells and bullet. That signature should be tied to the title of the gun and both the title and finger print should be maintain in a national data base.

Everyone who purchases a gun should have a back ground check. That check should be updated by the national data base on a regular basis. If you get convicted of a crime, the data base is updated and if the crimes are such that you are deemed unfit to own a gun, you loose your guns.

No one sells or buys a gun with out a back ground check and any time a gun is sold the title gets transferred.

If a weapon is used in a crime the weapon can be traced back to it's owner, if you failed to transfer the title of the weapon you better have a damn good explanation as to why otherwise your a$$ is going to jail as an accomplice.

All weapons must be secured if not on you person. If you own guns and leave the house you better have your guns locked up in a safe that is approved for the storage of guns. If you get robbed and you say your guns were stolen you better be filing a police report and that safe better be broken into. If you forgot to lock your guns up, your a$$ is grass.

Sure it's going to take time for the guns currently in the system to trickle out but at least this is a start. Only the law abiding citizens will be able to buy new weapons and the only way you sell a gun to someone who should not have it is by ignoring the laws. Yes there are holes but I don't see anyone coming up with a better idea.

We live in a society where a titty flashing on TV sends this country into a tizzy with fines being levied and who knows what else but a kid playing grand theft auto or Freddy Kruger shoving a knife through someones head does not even raise an eyebrow? We live in a world where fighting seems to be an accepted method for conflict dispute. How phucked up is that? The current system obviously does not work and yet we are amazed when people get killed with guns? Why? I am amazed it does not happen more often than it does.

Either we track the weapons and start to get a hand on the problem or we just sit back and enjoy the show. This stupid indignation about the violence in this country is tiersome.

 

[Ms Tree]

If more sane people were armed the insane one would get off fewer shots.


Consider the nation of Switzerland. EVERY citizen is issued an assault rifle and taught how to use it. RESULT: Lowest Murder rate in Europe

How many times have you been to Switzerland? Did you see everyone walking around with the rifles? No, they were locked up in their house. Their murder rate has nothing to do with the fact that they have a conscription militray and that all males have a rifle. At best that is a simplistic view.

And what is your explanation for the murder rates in the rest of Europe?

 

[Ms Tree]

Do they really think that a 21-year prison term and a country club setting can reform a mass murderer? If that is the case, they are welcome to see if club Norway can reform Charles Manson. Even the nutty California justice system knows better than to let Manson out.

In 2009 the intentional merder rate in Norway was .6 per 100,000 while the US had a rate of 5 per 100,000. They do not have a Manson in Norway as far as I am aware. I believe I remember reading that they were going to make an excpetion to the law limiting the sentence for Mr. Breivik. He will server the rest of his life behind bars if convicted.

 

[EastCheats]

How many times have you been to Switzerland? Did you see everyone walking around with the rifles? No, they were locked up in their house. Their murder rate has nothing to do with the fact that they have a conscription militray and that all males have a rifle. At best that is a simplistic view.

And what is your explanation for the murder rates in the rest of Europe?

There you go, if our friend Ms Tree was in charge you would have to defend yourself with a Swiss Army Knife.

 

[signals]

First let me go on record saying that the Batman lunatic was copying the Norway tragedy. He rigged his apartment hoping someone would set off the massive explosive. Good thing he must not have known about putting them on a timer...or maybe he did but it didn't work. In the Norway incident, the nut had set off massive explosions so the emergency responders would be busy while he carried out his massacre.

Now if you ever go to Norway and want to go to a top hotel and spa, commit a crime and live the life of Reilly!

http://www.time.com/...1989083,00.html

Why would anyone want to escape?

 

[signals]

There you go, if our friend Ms Tree was in charge you would have to defend yourself with a Swiss Army Knife.

Now, now, the corkscrew is a weapon of mass destruction!