PHL new open gates
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YVINTERN
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Doubtful...DL wants to screw US over why would they move?
usairways85
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After DL just invested money for counter space and Crown room in A, i doubt they will be the first choice to move. Also DL needs 3 gates min, while only 2 would open up at D. They could move F9 and YX down to D, but that doesn't alleviate much congestion. However i believe under FL's agreement they must operate a min of 5 flts a day from each gate, which means they would likely have to give up 2 gates. However its up to the city to fill those vacancies.
Travelpro72
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How about US getting D2 and D4 back and let WN take the Airtran gates? Actually US can't manage what they have let alone taking on more gates. 
FutureUScapt
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FL changes their route network around more than anyone in the industry. Some routes will be announced as year-round and then become seasonal w/o notice and what not, so while these are gone for summer, I wouldn't be surprised if they were brought back for a part of the winter season.
On a side not, FL has ended their "seasonal" CLT-MDW route.
D10 is currently unused as well, though you're right, it is a moot point since DL just invested money in moving over to A
Even that would help a little bit, as both currently occupy Intl capable gates during the evening. I'd be surprised if F9 lasts much longer in PHL in general though, with WN starting the route and their new CEOs philosophy of not wanting to hang onto mediocre/money-losing routes
BuffaloJoe
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YX was handled by AA Ground Crew and Personel. Does F9 have their own or do they contract it out?
WN is really advertising the Denver service. I would expect WN to gobble them gates up. Or Move NW over there and WN can have E all to them selves.
A14 cannot accommodate widebody aircraft or 757s so is useless for Long Haul international flights. A11 (YX) is not an international gate. All gates in A-East are not international ready gates.
I wouldn't say that an average 25% (DOT) of all DEN-PHL-DEN passenger traffic is a mediocre route for F9, unless you have some data reference to prove otherwise. There has been a plan to move F9 to D or E for at least the last 6-9 months.
FutureUScapt
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My apologies, I was under the impression a 757 could park at A14. As for the "Intl capable" comment, I should have clarified that they can be used for Intl departures, as they have been in the past, even if they aren't connected to FIS facilities anymore (DL could swap one of its gates for A11 if A11 isn't widebody capable). I wonder if YX will want to move next to NW anyways, since they are now buddy buddy
That OK I suppose, but certainly not anything stellar considering they account for about 25% of the capacity on the route and that their average o/w fare is about $60 less than UAs on the route.
Let's see how it does once WN starts the route...They pulled out of DEN-BWI less than a year after WN started the route and have a somewhat poor record of keeping their longer haul flights around (BOS, BDL, BWI, etc)
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Sure it's not a widebody gate, but we were putting 75's on it last summer.
Terminal E will also likely get 3 additional gates with the expansion of the concourse as part of the D-E connector project. From the construction notes on www.phl.org:
The Terminal E Concourse will be expanded with the construction of a 2-level addition at the end of the concourse. Airline Operations space will be at ground level. The second level will provide hold rooms, concessions, rest rooms and operations space to accommodate three new gates and four relocated gates
I envision that E will become the defacto WN terminal and NW will be moved. But leaving A-East and D for all the other misfit airlines doesn't leave much room for growth.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&...&iwloc=addr
E has some room to grow out and maybe even a hammerhead branching off towards F. There is literally no more room to grow any of the concourses until one of the 3 alternatives is chosen for PHL's 20 year growth plan.
The Terminal E Concourse will be expanded with the construction of a 2-level addition at the end of the concourse. Airline Operations space will be at ground level. The second level will provide hold rooms, concessions, rest rooms and operations space to accommodate three new gates and four relocated gates
I envision that E will become the defacto WN terminal and NW will be moved. But leaving A-East and D for all the other misfit airlines doesn't leave much room for growth.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&...&iwloc=addr
E has some room to grow out and maybe even a hammerhead branching off towards F. There is literally no more room to grow any of the concourses until one of the 3 alternatives is chosen for PHL's 20 year growth plan.
