Parker says no requirements to have seperate contracts?

[traderjake]

They are going to attempt to divide these two pilot groups, just Glass did in the East, and then fly the jets with two pay scales dodging the transition contract at every opportunity.

They are already doing it.

And unless these our pilots collectively stand up to this nonsense they will succeed.
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The pilot groups are already split because the East pilots are trying to steal the West pilots' jobs through Date of Hire seniority integration.

We've learned nothing from the USAir Piedmont merger.

 

[700UW]

DOH is not stealing, it is the fair and equitable way of seniority intergration, some people gain, some people lose and I would think there would be a fence for the current HP capts to be grandfathered.

Also what if HP bought an airline that was mostly junior?

Bet the pilots would be screaming DOH!

 

[PhxMama]

DOH is not stealing, it is the fair and equitable way of seniority intergration, some people gain, some people lose and I would think there would be a fence for the current HP capts to be grandfathered.

Also what if HP bought an airline that was mostly junior?

Bet the pilots would be screaming DOH!

Are you saying that HP bought US Airways? Scandalous post!

ALL unionized employees need to stand up on this one. If they succeed with the pilots - you and your group are next. "Doogie" needs to get real here. In one fell swoop, he could kill the whole thing. Doing the right thing is merging the best of both contracts. What "Doogie" is proposing is a lose-lose situation and, quite frankly, if you guys don't take a stand (and a big one) you get what you deserve. Not to be mean, but its time everyone stopped being a doormat in this company.

Eye

It would be nice if everyone stood together but if NW unionized employees couldnt stand together I dont know if we can. Watching NW f/a's and pilots cave while their mechanics stood proudly on picket lines was a saddening experience. People will need to walk the walk. We need to stand and work together now and God forbid walk the picket lines together, later.

 

[traderjake]

700UW

It is stealing to take a West Captain's job and give it to a First Officer who can't hold Captain on the East side.

It is stealing to put all the East F/O's ahead of 60% of the West Captains on the combined seniority list.

You're an apologist for intimidation by violence AND stealing. At least you're consistent.

 

[ilg30/7]

FWIW, almost all our F/O's held the left seat at some point in the past. How fair was it they were forced back to the right seat?

Not a pilot, but that arguement doesn't hold water.

 

[flynomore]

Since this is my third n.s. go-round of seniority talks, I can safely say the argument is that any integration is fair iff I am ahead of you. That is the generic 'I' regardless of which side or position the reference is on.

Do I have that right? Just checking.

 

[LGA / 037]

If under seperate contracts would it make it more easy for US to spin off ( sell ) a portion of the airline if the need arose ?

 

[N924PS]

700UW

It is stealing to take a West Captain's job and give it to a First Officer who can't hold Captain on the East side.

It is stealing to put all the East F/O's ahead of 60% of the West Captains on the combined seniority list.

You're an apologist for intimidation by violence AND stealing. At least you're consistent.

I don't know why you insist on making these ridiculous statements. There will be nothing "fair" about the integration of the US-AW pilot seniority lists regardless of the methodology arbitrator Nicolau uses.

Each pilot on their respective list has their own definition of what "fair" is. Every pilot, working or furloughed, has made enormous contributions to makes this merger happen.

The only stealing that has taken place is the theft of USAirways defined benefit retirement plans in the name of "saving" USAirways from CH7.

I would say that every USAirways First Officer on the job today feels that they are entitled to a Captain vacancy before any AW pilot. Will that be the way it goes? Only Mr. Nicolau knows.

 

[john john]

If under seperate contracts would it make it more easy for US to spin off ( sell ) a portion of the airline if the need arose ?

Just more RJ's

 

[BottomFeeder]

The pilot groups are already split because the East pilots are trying to steal the West pilots' jobs through Date of Hire seniority integration.

We've learned nothing from the USAir Piedmont merger.

You can keep your relative position as long as there is a 30 year fence off the big iron. You got your and we got ours.

 

[traderjake]

The job you had before the merger should be the job you get after the merger.

The first guy to get furloughed before the merger should be the first to get furloughed after.

Anything else is a windfall for someone and is stealing.

 

[N924PS]

The job you had before the merger should be the job you get after the merger.

The first guy to get furloughed before the merger should be the first to get furloughed after.

Anything else is a windfall for someone and is stealing.

"What we have here is....failure to communicate."

If anyone is likely to benefit from a windfall, it will be someone of relative youth from the Cactus side.

It is interesting to read Arbitator Nicolau's decisions from the Shuttle/USAir, Flying Tigers-Fedex, and Continental-Frontier mergers.

Basically, both sides present their best case position and he offers his decision. Might not have anything either side wanted, but it is cast in concrete for the remainder of one's career. And don't forget, there is always the specter of another merger looming a few years from this one.

Fight your good fight and hope for the best for yourself. It's probably going to be something unique given the disparity between the seniority and ages of the two pilot groups.

Keep an eye on your wallet...now THAT's stealing!