kirkpatrick
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Attrition from the ranks of active FA's totalled 74 for October, 752 for 2005 so far. In addition, 12 more TWA FA's retired from furlough status. 4094 FA's remain on the fulough list, 3142 of them former TWA.
MK
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October Fa Attrition
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jimntx
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Just FYI...
I got in from a trip last night and a new seniority number was on the website.
(First run of seniority calculation program since August.)
When I returned to the line 17NOV2004, my seniority number was 19,324. As of yesterday, 11NOV05, my seniority number is 18333.
A drop of 991 in 1 year! (Keep in mind that is just people senior to me. I hear that quite a few of the ones junior to me that returned last November have quit. Can't confirm this, though.)
At this rate, I don't think just eliminating the VM positions is going to prevent another recall. Either more flying will be transferred to AE, or the company will simply ground airplanes (or both) if they want to avoid a recall.
I got in from a trip last night and a new seniority number was on the website.
(First run of seniority calculation program since August.)
When I returned to the line 17NOV2004, my seniority number was 19,324. As of yesterday, 11NOV05, my seniority number is 18333.
A drop of 991 in 1 year! (Keep in mind that is just people senior to me. I hear that quite a few of the ones junior to me that returned last November have quit. Can't confirm this, though.)
At this rate, I don't think just eliminating the VM positions is going to prevent another recall. Either more flying will be transferred to AE, or the company will simply ground airplanes (or both) if they want to avoid a recall.
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jim,
I just flew with a flight attendant on my last trip, who was 6 training classes behind mine. That would be approximately 60 per class and a total of 360 flight attendants between her and I. Well, she is now only 46 numbers behind me in seniority. That tells me that the junior folks are taking the high road.
jimntx
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You have to be careful about assuming class sizes. My class started with only 45 people and graduated 38. We were sandwiched between 2 classes that both started with about 70 people--don't know how many they graduated.
I had some time this afternoon; so, I looked at the base rosters on the website. At all bases there are a total of 311 people junior to me. In the recall of approximately 495 people last November, I was about 65 from the top of the list; so, that means 119 people that were in the recall junior to me have left already.
I had some time this afternoon; so, I looked at the base rosters on the website. At all bases there are a total of 311 people junior to me. In the recall of approximately 495 people last November, I was about 65 from the top of the list; so, that means 119 people that were in the recall junior to me have left already.
They are better off on Welfare. UAL is only offering $16000/year.
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kirkpatrick
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I have more faith in the future of AA, and am at the top of the pay scale. If I were willing to start at the bottom I would have gone to Jet Blue immediately after furlough.
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Do you know anyone who currently works for UAL? Do we have to give up our recall rights? I'd love to be qualified and fly on the 747 but not to give up recall rights just yet when UAL is still in bankruptcy with a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
TWAnr
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I'm pretty certain United would make you give up your recall rights for American. It certainly looks like you have some things to think about. If you are anxious to be back on mainline flying then perhaps United is the way to go, but from what I understand the reason they are in the position to hire 2000 flight attendants is that people are leaving in droves because of how their careers have been turned into jobs. Who's to say it won't be the same here though. Good luck with your decision.
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jimntx
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czerny, hang in there. I do not see how they can avoid having another recall--which of course, would include you--within the next 6 months.
As I said before, their options are
1. give more and more flying to Eagle,
2. ground a/c and reduce mainline flying overall,
3. a combination of 1 and 2, or
4. recall flight attendants.
The FAA, being rigid and close-minded insist that there be 3 f/as on any S80 that has at least one passenger on it.
There is another option which would involve displacing flight attendants from the overstaffed bases (MIA and DFW) to the bases with shortages. This is not an option any of us want to be chosen. I don't think I could take much more of the "it's unfair that I got displaced and the company and the union are violating the contract" blues. It's not a pretty tune.
As I said before, their options are
1. give more and more flying to Eagle,
2. ground a/c and reduce mainline flying overall,
3. a combination of 1 and 2, or
4. recall flight attendants.
The FAA, being rigid and close-minded insist that there be 3 f/as on any S80 that has at least one passenger on it.
There is another option which would involve displacing flight attendants from the overstaffed bases (MIA and DFW) to the bases with shortages. This is not an option any of us want to be chosen. I don't think I could take much more of the "it's unfair that I got displaced and the company and the union are violating the contract" blues. It's not a pretty tune.czerny, hang in there. I do not see how they can avoid having another recall--which of course, would include you--within the next 6 months.
As I said before, their options are
1. give more and more flying to Eagle,
2. ground a/c and reduce mainline flying overall,
3. a combination of 1 and 2, or
4. recall flight attendants.
The FAA, being rigid and close-minded insist that there be 3 f/as on any S80 that has at least one passenger on it.
There is also another option...The APFA agreeing to cross utilization to keep the former TWA f/as from ever being recalled.
jimntx
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If you mean cross utilization between domestic and international, that happens to some extent already. International f/as who have kept up their quals on "domestic" equipment (like the S80) can be used on domestic sequences on reserve months. However, very few domestic f/as have international quals, and of those, most are too senior to have to serve reserve.
The company has already rejected the idea of a combined f/a corps--everyone qualified on everything--as too expensive. First off, you have all those senior domestic f/as who have dropped their quals on any a/c they don't like to fly who would have to be re-qualified. I can just hear the yelling on that issue.
