Non-Rev Boarding Priority

[night-ice]

Why is this a problem? Pinnacle, DGS, Comair, (insert farm out name) are all farm out employees and should always board after mainline because they are not directly employed by that airline. At UA some farm out employees don't get flight bens at all.

First, even if the employees are "farmed out" by an affiliate or wholly-owned, they provide income to mainline carriers where mainline aircraft do not service.

Additionally, the issue at hand is not who boards first: mainline or an affiliate. I am talking about this new travel enhancement, where mainline Delta (inc. wholly-owned) can non-rev on Pinnacle but Pinnacle can not non-rev on Delta or its subsidaries (excluding ZED's). I know Pinnacle is contracted out but they fly under the Northwest logo. Just curious why they are not wholly-owned? Doesn't NWA want them? Those small to mid-sized airports /cities that do not have any mainline service (but once did), "farming out" is the only option for some mainline carriers.

Lastly, a lot of these affiliates - wholly-owned or not, is of concern for a lot of employees...not Just NW/DL. The 50-seat RJ's are more likely in danger after this merger than they would be without. With the price of oil right now, the 50-seaters simply aren't as profitable as they once were. I hope when the dust settles those "farmed out" employees are able to have a job.

 

[jenny@nw]

Some outsourced stations you don't board at all. They'll shut the door and leave you behind. Be agressive when you suspect there are seats open, some of these people don't really care if you had been stuck in Florida for 3 days.

 

[night-ice]

Some outsourced stations you don't board at all. They'll shut the door and leave you behind. Be agressive when you suspect there are seats open, some of these people don't really care if you had been stuck in Florida for 3 days.

Yikes! care to elaborate?

I've really never had this problem that I recall, as I always had ready access to the internet and the 800# - I do recall a time the flight was "weight restricted" and that was the last flight of the night...and there were plenty of seats available. It, too, was an "out-sourced" station, so I was stuck in D.C. for the night. I definitely notice the attitude difference between mainline and non-mainline employees, though when flying stand-by. Not all outsourced employees are dissatisfied with their jobs but the ones who are really shows.

 

[Blackdog]

As a former NW aircraft technician, and a current Delta Connection employee, I will never non-rev on NWA's scab-maintained junk - I don't want to end up as a statistic on some NTSB report.

Good one less non-rev to worry about...give it a rest! You'ved move on to another job...now its time for you to move on...give it a rest!

 

[jenny@nw]

Good one less non-rev to worry about...give it a rest! You'ved move on to another job...now its time for you to move on...give it a rest!

yeah but some people have standards they live by....

 

[jenny@nw]

Yikes! care to elaborate?

I've really never had this problem that I recall, as I always had ready access to the internet and the 800# - I do recall a time the flight was "weight restricted" and that was the last flight of the night...and there were plenty of seats available. It, too, was an "out-sourced" station, so I was stuck in D.C. for the night. I definitely notice the attitude difference between mainline and non-mainline employees, though when flying stand-by. Not all outsourced employees are dissatisfied with their jobs but the ones who are really shows.

That's what happened to my girlfriend. I don't remember which town in Florida it was but she was extremely furious. The agent told her it was "full" and shut the door. She didn't believe it because one of the flight attendants who came out to talk to the agent also told her that there were plenty of seats open. So she checked PARS and sure enough, it left with open seats. Went to the manager and she even said there were seats open and the agent should of helped her get on and it was no excuse . Not weight restricted at all. Who cares when you are being paid minimum wage ?

 

[Blackdog]

yeah but some people have standards they live by....

If they had standards they would have never worked for NWA in the 1st place! LOL!!!

 

[Kev3188]

First, even if the employees are "farmed out" by an affiliate or wholly-owned, they provide income to mainline carriers where mainline aircraft do not service.

Not when it's "fee for departure," like at 9E.

I know Pinnacle is contracted out but they fly under the Northwest logo. Just curious why they are not wholly-owned? Doesn't NWA want them?

Well, if they did, they wouldn't have spun them off a few years ago....

The 50-seat RJ's are more likely in danger after this merger than they would be without. With the price of oil right now, the 50-seaters simply aren't as profitable as they once were.

The 50 seater has been in "danger" for awhile now. Their CASM costs are through the roof compared to a M/L aircraft, especially on trips under,say, 250 NM. It was bad enough when oil was at $50bbl. Now with it coming up on $130, there's no question.