NOMINEE'S FOR LOCAL 514 OFFICERS AND POSITIONS

[iluvaa]

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[OldGuy@AA]

Informer is right. Our problems are with the international and Jim Little. How many other people have run for local office promising better representation only to step in line with Jim Little and his minions? Burchette, Luis, Cirri......... The only way to get better representation is to go AMFA. The international is PROUD that they didn't bother to negotiate 100% medical for AMTs. They took from AMTs and gave to other work groups. We are their sacrificial cash cow.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Informer is right. Our problems are with the international and Jim Little. How many other people have run for local office promising better representation only to step in line with Jim Little and his minions? Burchette, Luis, Cirri......... The only way to get better representation is to go AMFA. The international is PROUD that they didn't bother to negotiate 100% medical for AMTs. They took from AMTs and gave to other work groups. We are their sacrificial cash cow.

Seriously? What is it you think the other groups got from the AMT’s? I will remind you every group lost. EVERY GROUP. Other groups did not steal your benefits. AA and TWU collaborated to initiate different standards of benefits to keep the workforce divided. You’re being manipulated.

You are not a sacrificial cash cow. You are an example of power. AA and TWU show a public display of power when they give mechanics a lower benefit standard than other non-technical work groups.

Having foolish mechanics point the finger at other work groups because of contract differences is getting old. You act like the workforce plots and schemes to steal from the mechanics. That is simply not true.

Get a clue.

 

[1AA]

Example of what other groups got.

Pilots of AA have a 14% contribution to their 401K, WITHOUT A MATCH FROM THE EMPLOYEE!!

In the MOU for the Pilots, it increases to 16% contribution still WITHOUT A MATCH!

We only get 5.5% and that is WITH a match.
With the higher salaries the Pilots make and since it is a percentage contribution their contributions will hit the maximum limit in no time. No money out of the employees pocket. That is what a real union does. It makes the best out of a bad situation.
What did the TWU do for us?

Fight Like Hell, Vote Yes to save jobs, Froze our pensions not for us but to save the Internationals pensions from going to the PBGC.

 

[767 mechanic]

1AA The 16% is on top of the $17,500 that is aloud for 2013. So if a pilot makes $200,000. The company will put in $32,000 and the pilot can still contribute $17,500. So in reality they are getting a 16% raise without any sacrifice of there own wages like we are with the 5.5%. The pilots are at a higher wage and the company knows that almost every pilot will max there 401k out and a match would not be a selling point to the pilots. On the other hand the rest of us are at lower wages and cannot afford to put 5.5% into a 401k. This is one of the reasons the company does not want a pension. So the lower they keep the wages. The harder it is for us to make ends meet and the harder it is to take advantage of the 5.5%. So the more of us that do not take advantage of the 5.5%. The more money the company saves. It is no different than the company trying to make it difficult to use sick time. They charge us a dollar amount for this in negotiations and prevent us from taking advantage of it. So the end result is AA gets credit for something that they never had any intentions of paying anyway. AA cries to the public about there fictitious labor expenses trying to make us look like the greedy bastards when the opposite is true.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Seriously? What is it you think the other groups got from the AMT’s? I will remind you every group lost. EVERY GROUP. Other groups did not steal your benefits. AA and TWU collaborated to initiate different standards of benefits to keep the workforce divided. You’re being manipulated.

You are not a sacrificial cash cow. You are an example of power. AA and TWU show a public display of power when they give mechanics a lower benefit standard than other non-technical work groups.

Having foolish mechanics point the finger at other work groups because of contract differences is getting old. You act like the workforce plots and schemes to steal from the mechanics. That is simply not true.

Get a clue.

All work groups gave up something? Ok what did stores give up? They got all the "raises" we got only they got theirs at the front end of their contract. They also got skill pay and kept their 6th week of vacation. So what did they give up? Also tell me where the money came from for their stuff. It came out of my pocket. Keep denying the obvious. Maybe you should have voted no too and then you could have gotten skill pay. They would have given away more of my vacation for that.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

The funny thing is when we are gone you'll see who has been funding your raises won't we? You guys keep your head in the sand.

 

[Kev3188]

1AA The 16% is on top of the $17,500 that is aloud for 2013. So if a pilot makes $200,000. The company will put in $32,000 and the pilot can still contribute $17,500. So in reality they are getting a 16% raise without any sacrifice of there own wages like we are with the 5.5%. The pilots are at a higher wage and the company knows that almost every pilot will max there 401k out and a match would not be a selling point to the pilots. On the other hand the rest of us are at lower wages and cannot afford to put 5.5% into a 401k. This is one of the reasons the company does not want a pension. So the lower they keep the wages. The harder it is for us to make ends meet and the harder it is to take advantage of the 5.5%. So the more of us that do not take advantage of the 5.5%. The more money the company saves. It is no different than the company trying to make it difficult to use sick time. They charge us a dollar amount for this in negotiations and prevent us from taking advantage of it. So the end result is AA gets credit for something that they never had any intentions of paying anyway. AA cries to the public about there fictitious labor expenses trying to make us look like the greedy bastards when the opposite is true.

With all due respect, it's not that hard to sock away 5.5%. I make less than you an hour, and manage to put more than that away. In fact, I was doing it when I was on the bottom of my carrier's (ramp) pay scale.

There are a few outliers that legitimately can't swing it due to unforeseen circumstances. Most, however, have been too busy stocking up on "toys" (Dualies, bass boats, flat screens, etc.), and are now in over their heads in debt.

That goes for much of America, BTW...

The funny thing is when we are gone you'll see who has been funding your raises won't we? You guys keep your head in the sand.

The only people "taking" anything away from you are your inept leadership, and your coworkers that are still complacent enough to keep the status quo in place.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

You have a point but in 2003 and again in 2013 the company told the TWU to fund all raises from give backs. AMTs gave back more once again so everyone could get a raise. How many stock clerks and fleet service face the possibility of losing $5 per hour to do the same job? How many SC and FS lose half a day's pay when they call in sick? Yes Fleet lost another week's vacation but that is only because they voted yes on the first contract. I only hope you are on your own in your next contract negotiation. Then you will see what I mean. AA will point out how well paid fleet and stores are compared to the rest of the industry so TWU will give away more of your benefits to fund "raises". I was here in 85 when Fleet didn't like the fact that if everyone got a 2% raise, AMTs would get more since their hourly pay was higher so they demanded we all get a 2 time $500 lump sum payment for a total of $1000. (before taxes) It was a lot less than 2% but they were happy that we didn't get more than they did. Of course Crandall was very happy. This is what we were forced to deal with in the past. Why wouldn't we want to get away?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I don't wish bad on anyone. I just want to be able to negotiate for wages that are industry standard instead of having to make sure everyone gets the same raise no matter where they compare to the rest of the industry. I don't blame anyone in any other work group trying to make as much as they can either. But when it keeps one group well under their peers in the industry it is wrong. AA Fleet and Stores are not the lowest paid in the industry. AA AMTs are the lowest paid.

 

[Kev3188]

So will you only be happy when AA FSC's *are* the lowest paid?

Look, I get your frustration, I really do. But your anger is misdirected, and when you willingly play in to the us vs them game, the only ones who win are the bosses.

Focus your energy on getting away from the quicksand that is the TWU ATD at AA, and not on what FSC's or SC's at AA are getting. I know it's an easy argument to make on the shop floor, but the goal should pulling your group up, not pulling other groups down.

 

[AANOTOK]

So will you only be happy when AA FSC's *are* the lowest paid?

Look, I get your frustration, I really do. But your anger is misdirected, and when you willingly play in to the us vs them game, the only ones who win are the bosses.

Focus your energy on getting away from the quicksand that is the TWU ATD at AA, and not on what FSC's or SC's at AA are getting. I know it's an easy argument to make on the shop floor, but the goal should pulling your group up, not pulling other groups down.

Tried biting my tongue as long as I could, but...Kev, you are so right. I have had a debate or two with OldGuy over this same crap. He and a few others (proamt comes to mind) continue to throw Fleet under the bus to justify their argument. It is so old that I can't wait until they have a vote so I can stop dodging the damn buses and no longer have to listen to all this whining about other workgroups. Freak'in vote already!!

 

[OldGuy@AA]

So will you only be happy when AA FSC's *are* the lowest paid?

Look, I get your frustration, I really do. But your anger is misdirected, and when you willingly play in to the us vs them game, the only ones who win are the bosses.

Focus your energy on getting away from the quicksand that is the TWU ATD at AA, and not on what FSC's or SC's at AA are getting. I know it's an easy argument to make on the shop floor, but the goal should pulling your group up, not pulling other groups down.

I won't be happy when fleet and/or stores are the lowest paid. But they seem to not care that we are the lowest paid don't they? I will be happy when we are gone from the TWU. It is the TWU that is doing all of this. The TWU has kept AMT pay low. TWU also outsourced our work to FS.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Tried biting my tongue as long as I could, but...Kev, you are so right. I have had a debate or two with OldGuy over this same crap. He and a few others (proamt comes to mind) continue to throw Fleet under the bus to justify their argument. It is so old that I can't wait until they have a vote so I can stop dodging the damn buses and no longer have to listen to all this whining about other workgroups. Freak'in vote already!!

I'm betting you were one of the biggest whiners when we got that raise in 2001. By the way, who used to do all the pushbacks at AA before fleet? Typical attitude. You fit in so well with your union.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm betting you were one of the biggest whiners when we got that raise in 2001. By the way, who used to do all the pushbacks at AA before fleet? Typical attitude. You fit in so well with your union.

Ok OldGuy, whatever...