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If you can think back a few years ago one of your candidates for change was a elected e board officer for 514 and had a problem showing up for duty. In the summer time he had a habit of driving his red corvette to the golf course daily while smoking a fat cigar, he was really concerned with the membership (awol). Yeah he is your man, this time will be different.
 
If you can think back a few years ago one of your candidates for change was a elected e board officer for 514 and had a problem showing up for duty. In the summer time he had a habit of driving his red corvette to the golf course daily while smoking a fat cigar, he was really concerned with the membership (awol). Yeah he is your man, this time will be different.

And if this is true then why was he not held accountable?

What is your idea of change?
 
That question about acountability is funny coming from you. You should know by now there is no accountability? So you tell me about the track record of local 514 accountability? go for it elect the dude. Has he not been elected before? well it will be different this time.
 
My idea of change would be a "change" ditch the stooges for someone who is not a stooge ,has no history of being a stooge someone new and not a long history of holding a twu scam . I suppose you do not get it. You will elect the same stooges history proves that. Four
 
Well this is my attitude. I have read and researched American Airlines past behavior for hours on end. This is the conclusion I have come to. AMR is consolidating all of thier bases. Tulsa seems to be doing all of the maintenance for all the aircraft save the 2 types of 767's. I believe that AMR's ultimate goal is to consolidate all of the bases and sell the Tulsa base off and contract the work out. Thats part of why our third party work is dissapearing. Corporate does not want any outstanding contracts with other airlines. Why did Romano retire after two years in his new position? I think they pushed him out because he was resisting contracting out our jobs. The new guy, well I have researched him also. His history is corporate purchasing, financial planning, and capital planning. The aircrafts he has actually worked on were helo's. What does that tell you? AMR feeds us this line about how they can't afford to pay help. How thier losing so much money. One "WAY" they lose money is to show depreciation on thier aircraft. You sure can lose alot of money with a fleet the size of Americans. Thats not really losing money though is it? If there losing so much money why are they handing out huge executive bonuses every year? If there losing money how are they able to invest over a billion dollars into Japan Airlines? I guess the money is there unless your one of the people that actually contribute, then you have no say so. Im very disheartened that American Airlines and corporate America in general really, treats it's employees like they have no stake in the company they contribute to every day. I think a man puts twenty years into a company he has something at stake. This is my attitude. I feel like AMR has my job in thier sights. I think that the Tulsa base will be history in two years as far as TWU employees. What you should be asking your union is what there doing to protect our maintenance bases and keep our work in house? I think corporate America won't be happy until they have people working skilled jobs for Wal-Mart wages and no benefits. My advice, start seeing where you can bump, or maybee even start looking for another job. Stick your money back. I guess my attitude isnt very good. Is yours?
 
If the company can get its maintenance done somewhere else cheaper and with a shorter turn around or a turn around close to the one we provide then we're toast.

These guys aren't staying with us because they feel they owe us jobs. We are currently their best option. If you were in their shoes wouldn't you like to hand off your maintenance headache to someone qualified enough to do the job correctly and in a timely manner? We are red headed stepchildren-a necessary evil.

Golf, cigars-don't know much about that. All I know is that he is a man driven to change this union from one that is IMHO too management friendly.

I guess I'm a bit naive at first I thought DB was the man to change this union, then I thought SL was. I was wrong about DB but to be honest I haven't totally written off SL. I am glad he hasn't brought back a pos contract I just can't buy into the whole Working Together scam. The company likes it so much it was in the proposal.

TLessExperience is too management oriented to suit me.

I obviously can't see into the future but I believe KCreaser will see to it that the company meets us half way rather than run over us.
 
His history is corporate purchasing, financial planning, and capital planning. The aircrafts he has actually worked on were helo's. What does that tell you?

Very interesting point! Very Interesting!.
I believe AA will finally make the push to spin off and set up the MRO and this new guy will run the place. He has the background for running a company.
TULE will be forced to operate as a subsidiary if the TWU wants to preserve those jobs, but at new wage and benefit scales.
As for the line stations, we will forced to bid on AA's work throughout the system just like a contractor.
Right now, the TWU Int'l is feeding the members, through the negotiating committee, the fear factor that if we ask for even the slightest increase, the company will contract out more and more work.
Videtich is a company mouthpiece instilling fear into the members.

It's called "Working Together", folks.
 
An example of democracy in action.

AFSCME Local 1180, non-sworn Tulsa city workers, were polled by the union to find out whether or not they preferred to take pay cuts or lay-offs.

I would rather maintain the pay and benefits. It seems like once a membership gives into concessions there are always more requests to follow. When the budget crunch is not as severe and the workers are recalled back they will be called back to a job with pay and benefits worth keeping. If I was at the bottom of the seniority list I would probably think differently.

The point I am making is the workers themselves were allowed to choose which direction to go.
 
An example of democracy in action.

AFSCME Local 1180, non-sworn Tulsa city workers, were polled by the union to find out whether or not they preferred to take pay cuts or lay-offs.

I would rather maintain the pay and benefits. It seems like once a membership gives into concessions there are always more requests to follow. When the budget crunch is not as severe and the workers are recalled back they will be called back to a job with pay and benefits worth keeping. If I was at the bottom of the seniority list I would probably think differently.

The point I am making is the workers themselves were allowed to choose which direction to go.

Maybe not. One of the few guys who accepted recall at JFK told me a few months back that coming back was not easy, but he liked working on airplanes. He said he knows he can easily replace his income if laid off so he told me "I want you to go for the money even if it means I'm out the door. At least then when I come back I'll be able to make a living doing what I want."

You are right about concessions, I said that to the USAIR guys back in 2002 before the first round of concessions there. We are around $13/hr below where we should be, around double what we were before 2001. We could either wait and let some other carrier and union fix the wage, like we did with NWA, or we could stand up and take a stand for once. We have allowed ourselves to slip to number eight out of the top ten carriers, and some still believe in "Working Together". I say if AA wants to put us at the bottom we should do the same to AA. Quid pro quo. Make us number one and we will do everything we can to make them number one, but telling us to accept bottom pay and make them "best" at anything isnt going to fly!

As far as all that farming out of OH stuff, when I first started at AA nearly 25 years ago my next door neighbors brother was a crew chief in Automotive at LGA, I remember my neighbor commenting about how his brother was just hoping to make retirement before they outsource his job, well the guy's been retired for around 20 years now and Title II has seen the least amount of reduction of headcount. Management loves nothing more than giving you something to worry about.

When you sell your labor to a single buyer you are always going to be at risk. Here at AA your fate lies in the hands of people you never see.The best way to protect your economic well being is to extract as much cash as you can out of them, and save enough to carry you to the next buyer, concessions only make you more vulnerable and less financially secure. Look at the savings we have given AA over the last seven years, has it made you or your job more secure? No, we gave up $120,000 of income for nothing, we could work for free and AA would still find a way of saying that we cost too much.
 
Hey Bob,

I appreciate your point of view and agree with it in most cases.

Keep on keeping on. There are a lot of people here in Tulsa that support your efforts.

Last night we read your comments on the latest contract proposals.

You seem to represent more than just the 562.

Here is a sneak peek at the Creaser/Hayes campaign website it is still not finished.

www.514defenders.org

Hope you like it.
 
Finally read though the attachments to last months company proposal.

OMG!

That's how we are rewarded for helping the company avoid bankruptcy!

Attachment 7 spells out a ASM-Aviation Support Mechanic classification in which unlicensed workers are permitted to work on aircraft at the maintenance bases and on the line. Up to 50% in overhaul and 30% on the line. I am not against a person learning to work on aircraft but I have vivid memories of how the Jr. mechanic program was ran by the company and most of those guys had their license just not much experience.
Scary!


514defenders.org
 
The company wants AIR SERV to maintain the aircraft. After cleaining the cabin, they can go troubleshoot those pesky autopilots and those slow to accelerate engines.

They want ASMs on the line? They better hire hundreds of instructors, because my job is not to train anyone.
 
Re. "ANTI" candidates...

Tip: You can only win when you are FOR something. The terms "I don't" or "We can't" or "I'm ANTI..." end miserably, always.

Will the TWU accomplish anything for you? No. Unless you mushrooms accept the fact you are employed at lukewarm wages for lukewarm average performance. TWU gets paid first, and doles out to the locals as they see fit. They even got Videtich to sign a whimper loyalty letter along with the local Presidents and officers. No balls. Brains? Sure. Union goons make a good living off your backs. Now you'll not even get a response from him, and you will never go on strike as long as you are TWU. TWU is NOT working for you, and they dazzle everyone you elect to local office.

Quit pretending slaves!
 
Ck out the Ruiz letter from 02-04-10

I found it at www.twu562.org

under the heading Letter from President of the Local 564 2/07/10

Bob Owens' comments on the Redding Letter at the same site is also worth a read.



514defenders.org
 
Good point about union reps going into management.
We have a supervisor, er uh manager, who had a few years experieence at AA, became a shop steward for a while, then got a supervisor job, when they were still L4's. Didn't even shave yet.
He sold himself to the hiring manager because he said he "knew" the contract and knew how to go after a couple of "problem" mechanics. When he got that position, he immediately became the highest paid supervisor, besting a supervisor who had 34 years with the company.
Currently he is the highest paid supervisor, er manager, at JFK.

I have no problem with someone who wishes to move up in a company. But when you have a union rep who broke the company's chops consistently about the contract, all of a sudden go into management, one has to question the motives.
 

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