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[Bear96]

As stated in the F/A Emergency Manual under "Crew Duties"
Required Flight Attendants
Source: FAR 121.391.393

"If counted in the total minimum complement, a F/A who must contact the station may request the flight crew call on the radio or that a pilot use the Jetway telephone. The Jetway cannot be considered as an extension of the aircraft."

Petty and nitpicky? Absolutely. But is it a hard and fast rule? Definitely. Will an FAA inspector fine you for it if caught? Ohhh yeahhh.

These are the actual FARs (well, sort of, without the smilies!):

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§ 121.391 Flight attendants.

(a) Each certificate holder shall provide at least the following flight attendants on each passenger-carrying airplane used:

(1) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds and having a seating capacity of more than 9 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.

(2) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of 7,500 pounds or less and having a seating capacity of more than 19 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.

(3) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 50 but less than 101 passengers—two flight attendants.

(4) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 100 passengers—two flight attendants plus one additional flight attendant for each unit (or part of a unit) of 50 passenger seats above a seating capacity of 100 passengers.

(B) If, in conducting the emergency evacuation demonstration required under §121.291 (a) or (B), the certificate holder used more flight attendants than is required under paragraph (a) of this section for the maximum seating capacity of the airplane used in the demonstration, he may not, thereafter, take off that airplane—

(1) In its maximum seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number used during the emergency evacuation demonstration; or

(2) In any reduced seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number required by paragraph (a) of this section for that seating capacity plus the number of flight attendants used during the emergency evacuation demonstration that were in excess of those required under paragraph (a) of this section.

© The number of flight attendants approved under paragraphs (a) and (B) of this section are set forth in the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(d) During takeoff and landing, flight attendants required by this section shall be located as near as practicable to required floor level exists and shall be uniformly distributed throughout the airplane in order to provide the most effective egress of passengers in event of an emergency evacuation. During taxi, flight attendants required by this section must remain at their duty stations with safety belts and shoulder harnesses fastened except to perform duties related to the safety of the airplane and its occupants.

[Doc. No. 2033, 30 FR 3206, Mar. 9, 1965, as amended by Amdt. 121–30, 32 FR 13268, Sept. 20, 1967; Amdt. 121–46, 34 FR 5545, Mar. 22, 1969; Amdt. 121–84, 37 FR 3975, Feb. 24, 1972; Amdt. 121–88, 37 FR 5606, Mar. 17, 1972; Amdt. 121–159, 45 FR 41593, June 19, 1980; Amdt. 121–176, 46 FR 61454, Dec. 17, 1981; Amdt. 121–180, 47 FR 56463, Dec. 16, 1982; Amdt. 121–251, 60 FR 65933, Dec. 20, 1995]

§ 121.393 Crewmember requirements at stops where passengers remain on board.

At stops where passengers remain on board, the certificate holder must meet the following requirements:

(a) On each airplane for which a flight attendant is not required by §121.391(a), the certificate holder must ensure that a person who is qualified in the emergency evacuation procedures for the airplane, as required in §121.417, and who is identified to the passengers, remains:

(1) On board the airplane; or

(2) Nearby the airplane, in a position to adequately monitor passenger safety, and:

(i) The airplane engines are shut down; and

(ii) At least one floor level exit remains open to provide for the deplaning of passengers.

(B) On each airplane for which flight attendants are required by §121.391(a), but the number of flight attendants remaining on board is fewer than required by §121.391(a), the certificate holder must meet the following requirements:

(1) The certificate holder shall ensure that:

(i) The airplane engines are shut down;

(ii) At least one floor level exit remains open to provide for the deplaning of passengers; and

(iii) the number of flight attendants on board is at least half the number required by §121.391(a), rounded down to the next lower number in the case of fractions, but never fewer than one.

(2) The certificate holder may substitute for the required flight attendants other persons qualified in the emergency evacuation procedures for that aircraft as required in §121.417, if these persons are identified to the passengers.

(3) If only one flight attendant or other qualified person is on board during a stop, that flight attendant or other qualified person shall be located in accordance with the certificate holder's FAA-approved operating procedures. If more than one flight attendant or other qualified person is on board, the flight attendants or other qualified persons shall be spaced throughout the cabin to provide the most effective assistance for the evacuation in case of an emergency.

[Doc. No. 28154, 60 FR 65934, Dec. 20, 1995]

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Note 121.393(a)(2). Though it has to do specifically with through passengers remaining on board, it appears to be as close as the regs come to the issue we are talking about, and it would seem to be open to interpretation that it is OK to access a jetway phone.

 

[ITRADE]

Bear, thanks for posting the actual regs.

 

[jimntx]

Note 121.393(a)(2). Though it has to do specifically with through passengers remaining on board, it appears to be as close as the regs come to the issue we are talking about, and it would seem to be open to interpretation that it is OK to access a jetway phone.

It may be open to interpretation (I don't think so, but we'll let that go),

BUT,

it won't be you or me that is doing the interpreting. It will be the FAA Inspector who catches you off the a/c during boarding. Better to be safe than sorry. Unless of course, you have a trust fund and aren't inconvenienced by $1100 fines.

 

[firstamendment]

It may be open to interpretation (I don't think so, but we'll let that go),

BUT,

it won't be you or me that is doing the interpreting. It will be the FAA Inspector who catches you off the a/c during boarding. Better to be safe than sorry. Unless of course, you have a trust fund and aren't inconvenienced by $1100 fines.

The f/a's have been told time after time that the jetway is NOT an extension of the aircraft...period. If an inspector were to call on the jetway phone and ask if this is a f/a and the f/a says yes. that f/a WILL be fined. We are not allowed off that aircraft when a flight originates or terminates. There is no interpretating.

It is important for the f/a's to mention this to the pilots in their briefing. This seems to be the FAA's new enforcement favorite. So, customers and employees alike, just know we CANNOT get off the plane for dup seats, to check your bag, or to help that wheelchair customer. When it comes to the FAA, there is very little room for compromise...so F/A's be careful.

 

[BoeingBoy]

What pins it down for US is the FOM. For the "outsiders", the Flight Operations Manual is the book that describes in detail how US will operate in compliance with the FAR's and it is approved by the FAA. That approval in effect makes it an extension of the FAR's. Our FOM requires the full complement of F/A's be on the aircraft for boarding & deplaning - not near the aircraft or just outside the aircraft door.

One exception that is little known to the F/A's (they aren't told about it) is that a qualified pilot can substitute for a F/A as long as that pilot is identified to the passengers and remains in the forward cabin (not the cockpit or jetway). Qualified here means qualified on the type aircraft, since we pilots are not trained on all the aircraft emergency equipment and doors (unlike F/A's).

Jim

 

[Bear96]

It may be open to interpretation (I don't think so, but we'll let that go),

BUT,

it won't be you or me that is doing the interpreting. It will be the FAA Inspector who catches you off the a/c during boarding. Better to be safe than sorry. Unless of course, you have a trust fund and aren't inconvenienced by $1100 fines.

Yes,

BUT,

It is in OUR (UA) FAA-approved F/A handbook that the jetway phone is OK.

My point is the FAR does not state if the jetway (loading bridge, whatever) phone is off limits or not. All we can do is go by what is in our respective handbooks.

 

[PSA1979]

Actually BoeingBoy, U f/a's are told about, however it only applies to through flights after the last departing pax gets off. And a pilot trained on that particular a/c can take the place of one of the remaining f/a's (half rounded down of FAA min) as long as a PA is made designating the pilot as a f/a replacement.

 

[PITbull]

The f/a's have been told time after time that the jetway is NOT an extension of the aircraft...period. If an inspector were to call on the jetway phone and ask if this is a f/a and the f/a says yes. that f/a WILL be fined. We are not allowed off that aircraft when a flight originates or terminates. There is no interpretating.

It is important for the f/a's to mention this to the pilots in their briefing. This seems to be the FAA's new enforcement favorite. So, customers and employees alike, just know we CANNOT get off the plane for dup seats, to check your bag, or to help that wheelchair customer. When it comes to the FAA, there is very little room for compromise...so F/A's be careful.

First,

I agree. There is no ambiguous interpretation with our emergency manuals that speak to this specifically. You are exactly correct.

 

[PITbull]

AFA still wants him.

 

[700UW]

Bob,

Rakesh is who built UAL's International operation, the man is brillant and has integrity. He also built US' international operation, before he came along, US only flew to LGW and FRA.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Not to be mean PITbull, but that pair, Wolf & Gangwal IMO couldn't find their arse with both hands in a phone booth with a flashlight.

Not in terms of actually running an airline and turning a profit.

Who can forget Wolf's tree hugger manifesto's in Attache Magizine while the airline & its ill advised merger collapsed.

Not that Dave Siegel was the second coming or anything but you'll note it took Gangwal a lot longer than 45 days to land on his feet as CEO elsewhere and MR Wolf is to my knowledge unemployed. Seems the business community has rendered its verdict on Mr. Wolf and to a lesser extent to the Gangster

Jury is still out with Siegel.

Stephen M. Wolf

Chairman, R.R. Donnelley & Sons Company (Chicago, IL); and Managing Partner, Alpilles LLC (Arlington, VA)

Mr. Wolf assumed his position as Chairman of R.R. Donnelley & Sons Company in March 2004. He assumed his position as Managing Partner of Alpilles LLC in April 2003. He is the retired Chairman of US Airways Group, Inc. and US Airways, Inc.
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Rakesh Gangwal
Worldspan
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Rakesh Gangwal was named Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Worldspan in July 2003 and appointed to the Company’s Board of Directors.

 

[700UW]

Worldspan is a reservations system, I believe DL and NW use it.

 

[Doc]

What about international flights ? and who watches the door if you have to do an upgrade or make any change ? I have many more questions I would like to ask management.

P.S. I assume that flight attendants will be standing at the door soon.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Bob,

Rakesh is who built UAL's International operation, the man is brillant and has integrity. He also built US' international operation, before he came along, US only flew to LGW and FRA.

Integrity?? Are you f&%#*@!g serious????

Here is a man that took (most of the "Brotherhood" says stole) 15 million dollars when he left the company. He was the most pompous, egotistical, self-absorbed, power mongering bonehead that lead U if you don't count his equal compatriot Mr. Wolf who was everything I said above with the addition of "environmental wacko". Between the two of them they left U 30 million poorer not to mention in the worse financial shape it could possibly be in and you say he was "brillant (sic) and has integrity."?????

Then we have the AFA that wants him on the BOD as their representative?!? They b%^&h and complain about how Dave left with 4.5 million and how no one deserves the bonuses that are coming yet they look the other way from a guy that took 15 million and ran??

I think there needs to be some serious soul searching for some on this board.
<_<

 

[Finish or Ignore]

Right on Mr. Aeroman

Compare the condition of the company when "the evil twins" took over from Seth to the condition of the company when Dave arrived. If we had received 12 more months of "brilliance" we would be like Eastern.