New City...hot off the press.

[whlinder]

I think we may also see BNA. Hopefully BDL or MHT as well. Perhaps RDU...

 

[732guy]

I can see 5x MDW, 3x MCO, 2x TPA, 1x PHX, and 1x LAS.

First day of service, I'll predict 4x MDW, 2x MCO, 1x FLL, 1x TPA, 1x LAS. Expect RDU down the road!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just looking at passenger numbers between various cities and Washington (IAD & DCA combined), these all averaged over 1,000/day during 3Q05 (listed highest to lowest):

Ney York, Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, Los Angeles, Orlando, Denver, Detroit, Dallas/Fort Worth, San Fran, Ft. Lauderdale, Seattle, Tampa/St. Pete, Las Vegas, San Diego, Minneapolis, Miami, Orlando, Houston.

Jim

 

[mga707]

Great announcement for DC area pax after the loss of DH. Tough news for UA as it tried to re-build its hub. Has SWA given indication of how many new airports it plans to announce this year?

IAD is certainly the last new airport for '06. I can't see more than two per year (DEN started in Jan).
Surprised no one has speculated about IAD-ISP as a possible route, given the recent ISP gate expansion.

 

[markkus757]

With BOS the 4th largest market from the DC area - I can easily see PVD getting in on the initial schedule:

MDW: 3
PVD: 3
MCO: 2
TPA: 2
PHX: 1
LAS: 1

 

[Tanker]

Excellent news for IAD flyers.

Whatever happened to RIC? I thought WN said they would serve RIC a few years ago...

Herb said that SWA would start RIC after the additional gates at MDW and ISP were complete. The MDW gates are finished but not the ISP.
As for IAD I can see SWA starting with 3-MDW, 2-MHT, 2-PVD, 2-ISP, 2- MCO, 1- TPA, 1-LAS, & 1-PHX

 

[Cosmo]

Herb said that SWA would start RIC after the additional gates at MDW and ISP were complete. The MDW gates are finished but not the ISP.
As for IAD I can see SWA starting with 3-MDW, 2-MHT, 2-PVD, 2-ISP, 2- MCO, 1- TPA, 1-LAS, & 1-PHX

With Southwest serving ORF on one side of RIC and soon IAD on another, I think it will be a long time before RIC sees Southwest service. For one thing, Southwest's current pattern is to enter large airports -- PHL, PIT, DEN and now IAD. Moreover, Herb can tell the Virginia governor that he'll serve many more Virginians at IAD than he ever would at RIC.

Now it's my turn to guess Southwest's initial service pattern at IAD:

4 x MDW, 1 x LAS, 1 x PHX, 2 x MCO, 1 x TPA and 3 x PVD.

Plus BNA/FLL/HOU added within six months of service start (and probably others, but those three are almost certain).

 

[Harold]

Southwest opening up at Dulles seems to be a surprise. All of the postings the past few months about new cities have mentioned: Charlotte, a 'done' deal waiting for gates to become available after the US Air/America West merger and suppose to happen by the end of May. Richmond (VA), a former 'done' deal in '01. Cincinnati, mentioned a lot in January but quickly lost momentum. Savannah (GA), also mentioned a lot in January. Minneapolis and Atlanta, get mentioned once in a while. Allentown (PA), cause it's almost unused and near New Jersey. Anchorage, for the potential huge freight business. Are there any others I've forgotten?

 

[tug_slug]

You Scooped me.

Shhh....on the working hard bit though. Your going to ruin my street credibility with the other stock clerks.

LMAO... Ive got my eye on you bubbleboy

 

[ELP_WN_Psgr]

This may have been mentioned in passing....but just how likely is it that Dulles might be the quid-pro-quo in exchange for some legislators making sure the Wright Amendment goes away???

 

[swflyer]

This may have been mentioned in passing....but just how likely is it that Dulles might be the quid-pro-quo in exchange for some legislators making sure the Wright Amendment goes away???

It didn't seem to do much when we opened Jackson, MS. <_<

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

This may have been mentioned in passing....but just how likely is it that Dulles might be the quid-pro-quo in exchange for some legislators making sure the Wright Amendment goes away???

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A VERY good question !!

NH/BB's

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

A couple of things;

First, Good comparison MHT/PVD(BOS).....BWI/IAD(DCA)

Then,...First DEN, now IAD. "Whats up with that, UA" ???

Best airport for NYC for WN,(assuming they stick to their DNA), SWF(Newburgh NY) 60 miles to the North of the BIG APPLE.

Exact same as MHT to BOS, PLUS there is AMTRAK AND Metro North commuter rail, NYC to Newburgh !!

If WN deviates from their "DNA",

EWR (mabey), bad atc though, but there is "real estate".
LGA ( hardly) very bad atc, plus ZERO real estate.

JFK...Absolutely NEVER !!!


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NH/BB's

Southwest opening up at Dulles seems to be a surprise. All of the postings the past few months about new cities have mentioned: Charlotte, a 'done' deal waiting for gates to become available after the US Air/America West merger and suppose to happen by the end of May. Richmond (VA), a former 'done' deal in '01. Cincinnati, mentioned a lot in January but quickly lost momentum. Savannah (GA), also mentioned a lot in January. Minneapolis and Atlanta, get mentioned once in a while. Allentown (PA), cause it's almost unused and near New Jersey. Anchorage, for the potential huge freight business. Are there any others I've forgotten?

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MSP ?....NOT as long as NW is alive and kickin'. Need proof ?? Just look at WN/DTW. NO super success story there.

ANC ?...........What, is KELLY gonna' turn a half dozen 737-300's into COMBI's ??? :down:


NH/BB's

 

[markkus757]

As far as SW's DNA, it already has changed. The old model would not have them starting DEN up again of PHL either. The old circumventing of the big cities cannot work anymore for new market developments due to the fact that other low fare carriers are going into the larger cities to grab direct market share from the incumbent carriers. This leaves Southwest with the dillema of trying to manufacture new demand where leakage is not guaranteed from large airports to smaller airports such as the BOS - MHT/PVD model. Since jetBlue has gone wild in BOS, the leakage that both airports enjoyed with Southwest's growth is going back into BOS. This will continue to happen as the route maps start to overlap. Southwest will continue to go into "non-traditional" markets for them because they have to start to steal market share directly in markets in order to grow their business enough to offset the high employee costs and offset the large amount of jets being delivered. They're running out of parking spots for these planes. There are also no more no brainer routes to bring low fares to domestically.

 

[WNjetdoc]

As far as SW's DNA, it already has changed. The old model would not have them starting DEN up again of PHL either. The old circumventing of the big cities cannot work anymore for new market developments due to the fact that other low fare carriers are going into the larger cities to grab direct market share from the incumbent carriers. This leaves Southwest with the dillema of trying to manufacture new demand where leakage is not guaranteed from large airports to smaller airports such as the BOS - MHT/PVD model. Since jetBlue has gone wild in BOS, the leakage that both airports enjoyed with Southwest's growth is going back into BOS. This will continue to happen as the route maps start to overlap. Southwest will continue to go into "non-traditional" markets for them because they have to start to steal market share directly in markets in order to grow their business enough to offset the high employee costs and offset the large amount of jets being delivered. They're running out of parking spots for these planes. There are also no more no brainer routes to bring low fares to domestically.

It would seem from your post that you're not impressed with SWA's future? We can't fly into large cities any longer...the BOS area is over for us...we have to "steal" market share, we have "high employee costs", and we are "running out of parking space" for the "large amount of jets being delivered".

To me it seems like you're saying our company isn't run very well as we are not planning for the future? Perhaps they will see your post and figure they must change things in order to survive, thanks for the tip sir. :bleh: