PITbull
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- Dec 29, 2002
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Clue,
Very true regarding DL organizing effort that failed. However, Hindsight is always 20/20. In 1996 the Board voted to organize the huge airline of f/as, and when taking on this type of endeavor, you can't go in there half-heartedly. You make a big push and a big effort to organize this group. The organizing effort actually raised the "bar" for wages for DL. In order for their management to keep the unions OUT, they made every effort to give their f/as no reason to unionize. So, DL did benefit, and so did the unionized workers in their own negotiations with their own airlines, in that, by having a large group of f/as (DL)having nice wage, they could better negotiate their own wage increases by having a higher bar to gage. In a Union business, there is always more POWER and strength with MORE numbers. So, I don't believe it was a failure, as AFA was pursuing its "mission statement or premise". Plus, our organization was pretty sound just up to a year ago as we had $1.2 Million in "reserves" and NO dues, (constant $39 per month, and a tax wrtie off to boot), increases for 10 years. The flight attendant job joses at U and UAL severly hurt AFA financially, being that these two airlines are the biggest organized groups for AFA.
With regard to your above conclusion:
Then I guess our dialogue is all for none, cause you have the "spirit" of "survival of the fittest", and I am of the "spirit" of "I am my brother's keeper". If you look at this closer, between our extremes, there is an inherent "balance".
I didn't want or mean for this to get too philosophical. However, there must be much CHAOS in your life without "balance". In every piece of literature I have ever read and studied be it science, Math, Chemistry (organic and inorganic), physics,economics, astronomy, even human behavior (psych)....there is always this strive and push to reach a "balanced equation", for homostasis to occur....always striving for "equilibrium" or a neutral PH level; physical and abstract. This is the only way living things exist.
With regard to survival and Darwinism, I guess you must believe that U should have went under, (if infact, the demise of the carrier was even real). If U did not receive 2 "bailouts" from tax payer dollars, and all the deep major concessions from Labor along with BK where they got to literally "walk away" from contracts and unwanted, unsecured debt, it would have been "curtains" along with ALL the jobs..46,000, most in PA. There would have been a major rippled effect to the PA economy from that too. With assistance from else where, U survived; it didn't happen by itself. But, I assume in your mind...."survival of the fittest", with no compromise should rule the day.
Must be difficult for you to negotiate anything, I bet... you know, "give and take" type stuff.
Peace,
Very true regarding DL organizing effort that failed. However, Hindsight is always 20/20. In 1996 the Board voted to organize the huge airline of f/as, and when taking on this type of endeavor, you can't go in there half-heartedly. You make a big push and a big effort to organize this group. The organizing effort actually raised the "bar" for wages for DL. In order for their management to keep the unions OUT, they made every effort to give their f/as no reason to unionize. So, DL did benefit, and so did the unionized workers in their own negotiations with their own airlines, in that, by having a large group of f/as (DL)having nice wage, they could better negotiate their own wage increases by having a higher bar to gage. In a Union business, there is always more POWER and strength with MORE numbers. So, I don't believe it was a failure, as AFA was pursuing its "mission statement or premise". Plus, our organization was pretty sound just up to a year ago as we had $1.2 Million in "reserves" and NO dues, (constant $39 per month, and a tax wrtie off to boot), increases for 10 years. The flight attendant job joses at U and UAL severly hurt AFA financially, being that these two airlines are the biggest organized groups for AFA.
With regard to your above conclusion:
Then I guess our dialogue is all for none, cause you have the "spirit" of "survival of the fittest", and I am of the "spirit" of "I am my brother's keeper". If you look at this closer, between our extremes, there is an inherent "balance".
I didn't want or mean for this to get too philosophical. However, there must be much CHAOS in your life without "balance". In every piece of literature I have ever read and studied be it science, Math, Chemistry (organic and inorganic), physics,economics, astronomy, even human behavior (psych)....there is always this strive and push to reach a "balanced equation", for homostasis to occur....always striving for "equilibrium" or a neutral PH level; physical and abstract. This is the only way living things exist.
With regard to survival and Darwinism, I guess you must believe that U should have went under, (if infact, the demise of the carrier was even real). If U did not receive 2 "bailouts" from tax payer dollars, and all the deep major concessions from Labor along with BK where they got to literally "walk away" from contracts and unwanted, unsecured debt, it would have been "curtains" along with ALL the jobs..46,000, most in PA. There would have been a major rippled effect to the PA economy from that too. With assistance from else where, U survived; it didn't happen by itself. But, I assume in your mind...."survival of the fittest", with no compromise should rule the day.
Must be difficult for you to negotiate anything, I bet... you know, "give and take" type stuff.
Peace,
