MSM-Obamascare a Disaster

[delldude]

Long way to Nov 2014 and look at the sharks circling in the water. WH lies or denies ACA enrollment issues. People are freaking over the UnAfordable portion of the ACA. And people are worried about the GOP copping the blame for the shutdown?
I think we'll see short term 'shutdown memory loss' as more and more people see what 'affordable' really is.

“The website’s launch has been nothing short of disastrous.” - CBS correspondent Jan Crawford.

“They have done a terrible job launching this law.”
- Ezra Klein, MSNBC

“Thee candidate and campaign that brought us the most technologically advanced campaign in history in touching millions of people blew it this badly on this, their biggest, most important government outreach? It’s unbelievable.” - Chuck Todd, MSNBC

“They can’t give you a figure on how many people have actually signed up? I just don’t believe that.” - Anderson Cooper, CNN

“So far, the White House isn’t saying how many people have managed to enroll, but industry sources tell NBC News the numbers could be embarrassingly low.” - Tim Costello, NBC

More expert commentary :

“Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson declared. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”
Carson said the implementation of the Affordable Care Act was never about health care, only control.
“That’s why when this administration took office it didn’t matter that the country was going off the cliff economically. All forces were directed toward getting this legislation passed,” Carson said.

http://washington.cb...-since-slavery/

 

[im back..!!]

I guess you people believe if you keep saying something enough times it makes it true.

For the umpteenth time:

Obama care (Afordable Care Act for the educated) is insurance availability to the previously denied, not socialised medicine.

Congress is not exempt, they get the same financial help the government gave them before.

Big bussiness is exempt from the paperwork required, they still have to offer the same healthcare they offered like in years past.

The republicans are being lead around by there nose by the tea party sponsored by the Kock brothers. The last thing these crony capitalist's want is to possibly spend a dime to help another American out. What a sick bunch of whacko's they are.

But the repub's are doing a fine job, keep up the good work till the 2014 elections....please.!

 

[delldude]

I guess you people believe if you keep saying something enough times it makes it true.

For the umpteenth time:

Obama care (Afordable Care Act for the educated) is insurance availability to the previously denied, not socialised medicine.

Congress is not exempt, they get the same financial help the government gave them before.

Big bussiness is exempt from the paperwork required, they still have to offer the same healthcare they offered like in years past.

The republicans are being lead around by there nose by the tea party sponsored by the Kock brothers. The last thing these crony capitalist's want is to possibly spend a dime to help another American out. What a sick bunch of whacko's they are.

But the repub's are doing a fine job, keep up the good work till the 2014 elections....please.!

You are quite wrong................Obamascare is a requirement for everyone including those previously denied.

Congress now is required to purchase coverage just like everyone else, however they cried bloody murder when they found out the cost they'd have to pay because they make too much money for any subsidy. So in an illegal act, Obama cut them a deal.

Big business isn't exempt from the paperwork required. Big business (who dumped loads of cash into Obama's campaign) cried that they wouldn't be able to comply with the mandate this year.....So once again, Obama committed another illegal act and let them slide for a year.

Obama doesn't have the authority to change existing law on a whim.....it's up to Congress to enact and change law.

And you speak of crony capitialism....LOL.....Obama is the king of crony capitialism if you'd take off the rose colored glasses.

So in all fairness, you have no problem with Congress getting an illegal subsidy on income maybe of $150,000? What if you made the same amount in the private sector? You would be ok with that?

And Obama's crony capitalist business friends don't have to comply but you and I do. that's fair?

And the DNC sucks on the Ford Foundation teat which has much more milk than your friends the Koch Brothers.

And Obamascare is nothing but socialized medicine.

And this topic is about how Obama's MSM is throwing him under the bus, not any Republicans.

 

[cltrat]

has anyone heard of a case where someone is talking about what an affordable deal they got on insurance thru obamacare?

 

[Ms Tree]

Obama should have pressed for single payer like be originally wanted and told the insurance companies to go pound sand. Repubkicans and most dems beholden to the lobbiest would never go for it so we got stuck with ACA. Better then what we had but not nearly as good as what we could have had.

Until profit gets out health care we will never have good affordable health care.

 

[KCFlyer]

has anyone heard of a case where someone is talking about what an affordable deal they got on insurance thru obamacare?

I will. My ex wife is self employed. She also has rheumatoid arthritis. Because that is a "preexisting condition", NOT A SINGLE insurance carrier would sell her a policy to help her should she get ovarian cancer or breast cancer or lung cancer. Not for any price. Today she has insurance. Is it cheap. Not necessarily. But it's low enough that she can make a house payment and live a life. And it's a HELLUVA lot cheaper that what ovarian cancer would cost her. FWIW - she got tired of being pumped full of drugs to "treat" arthritis. So the great fear of the insurers...the mounting costs of treating her "preexisting condition" wouldn't pan out. But because of a preexisting condition, before 'Obamacare', she couldn't protect herself against cancer. How's THAT for a savings??

 

[delldude]

Obama should have pressed for single payer like be originally wanted and told the insurance companies to go pound sand. Repubkicans and most dems beholden to the lobbiest would never go for it so we got stuck with ACA. Better then what we had but not nearly as good as what we could have had.

Until profit gets out health care we will never have good affordable health care.

Object of the ACA game is to do away with private insurance companies and go single payor.

 

[delldude]

I will. My ex wife is self employed. She also has rheumatoid arthritis. Because that is a "preexisting condition", NOT A SINGLE insurance carrier would sell her a policy to help her should she get ovarian cancer or breast cancer or lung cancer. Not for any price. Today she has insurance. Is it cheap. Not necessarily. But it's low enough that she can make a house payment and live a life. And it's a HELLUVA lot cheaper that what ovarian cancer would cost her. FWIW - she got tired of being pumped full of drugs to "treat" arthritis. So the great fear of the insurers...the mounting costs of treating her "preexisting condition" wouldn't pan out. But because of a preexisting condition, before 'Obamacare', she couldn't protect herself against cancer. How's THAT for a savings??

Will there be an obligation to treat pre-existing conditions or will there be no coverage for treatment?

 

[KCFlyer]

Will there be an obligation to treat pre-existing conditions or will there be no coverage for treatment?

Didn't matter before Dell...they flat out wouldn't sell her insurance because she had a "preexisting condition". This current policy won't pay for the first year. Of course, when she did have a colposcopy because of an abnormal pap test, they initially denied the procedure cost...the girl on the phone told her that for preexisting condition policies, they automatically deny everything that first year. She pressed the matter and said that arthritis had nothing to do with her woman parts. They finally paid. Gotta love the caring attitude that the free market insurance companies bring to the table. The point is Dell....she COULDN'T BUY a policy to help cover her for something totally unrelated to arthritis. Now she can. And according to you folks on the right - that's a bad thing. Can't wait for single payor.

 

[delldude]

Didn't matter before Dell...they flat out wouldn't sell her insurance because she had a "preexisting condition". This current policy won't pay for the first year. Of course, when she did have a colposcopy because of an abnormal pap test, they initially denied the procedure cost...the girl on the phone told her that for preexisting condition policies, they automatically deny everything that first year. She pressed the matter and said that arthritis had nothing to do with her woman parts. They finally paid. Gotta love the caring attitude that the free market insurance companies bring to the table. The point is Dell....she COULDN'T BUY a policy to help cover her for something totally unrelated to arthritis. Now she can. And according to you folks on the right - that's a bad thing. Can't wait for single payor.

I realize she couldn't get coverage....now she can....at increased premiums.

 

[KCFlyer]

I realize she couldn't get coverage....now she can....at increased premiums.

Conservative logic....instead of admitting that she can now get coverage for things that have nothing to with her preexisting condition (and she couldn't before)...what she is paying is so much more than what she had been (nothing - because she couldn't get it). So to the conservatives, Obamacare is costing my ex hundreds more than what she was paying.

 

[delldude]

Conservative logic....instead of admitting that she can now get coverage for things that have nothing to with her preexisting condition (and she couldn't before)...what she is paying is so much more than what she had been (nothing - because she couldn't get it). So to the conservatives, Obamacare is costing my ex hundreds more than what she was paying.

She'd still pay more now even if she had no PC.

So you're all for single payor run by the government who is always wasting money and would definitely cut services to save money even more so than a for profit venture?
Don't forget all those gov't fat cat salaries that come first before your RA treatments.

 

[KCFlyer]

She'd still pay more now even if she had no PC.

So you're all for single payor run by the government who is always wasting money and would definitely cut services to save money even more so than a for profit venture?
Don't forget all those gov't fat cat salaries that come first before your RA treatments.

Dell....you are right....ANY PRICE is going to be more than NOTHING. Because they WOULD NOT SELL it to her. Perhaps we should abolish Obamacare and you get a preexisting condition...and like her, could not buy a policy at any price. Do you jump up, click your heels and say "Thank God I won't have insurance in case I get cancer"?

 

[Ms Tree]

Geez KC, you whine too much.. Your wife can always get free care. Romney said so.

Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance ... if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and — and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."

It's the ER. It's free. Not like anyone has to pay for it. Right? Granted this was said in 2012 when he was running for POTUS. If you listen to him in 2002 when he was defending his health care in MA he was singing a different tune. Hard to tell which Romney is telling the truth.

Sad truth about the right is that they really do not care nor have any idea how to provide coverage for all the citizens of the US. They seem to think the current system in the US is all hunky dory. Assuming you have money and insurance it's pretty good. If you are at the bottom of the economic pyramid and with no insurance you are pretty much screwed. ER it is. It's free.

 

[Keroseneuser]

For some like KC's ex this is going to be a good thing, insurance where they could not get any. For the vast majority of us it is going to be a disaster. You folks that are all waving the Obamacare is great flags need to really go out and talk to people dealing with this now. Double and triple the rates is very common among the people forced out of their existing plan and dumped onto the exchanges "but he said I could keep my insurance".....yeah sure thing sucker. I do know an avid democrat that also happens to be a business owner, had dinner with him the other night. We discussed his thoughts on the ACA. His final analysis? "Don't get me started on that bum (Obama), I cannot believe I bought into his crap and voted for him, this thing is going to be a disaster for businesses and employees alike. The only winners will be the folks that are unemployed" It will take a bit for the full impact of all this to been seen in force. Maybe common sense will prevail and modifications will be made to the ACA so it might be able to function. In it's current form I don't see anything good in the long term for the country.