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[SparrowHawk]

Ladies & Gentlemen,

This will teach me to stop watching the news once and for all I think. Here's a snippet and a link to the balance of the article. The words speak for themselves so no need for me to interrupt further.


Chicago school bans some lunches brought from home
To encourage healthful eating, Chicago school doesn't allow kids to bring lunches or certain snacks from home


At his public school, Little Village Academy on Chicago's West Side, students are not allowed to pack lunches from home. Unless they have a medical excuse, they must eat the food served in the cafeteria.

Principal Elsa Carmona said her intention is to protect students from their own unhealthful food choices.

"Nutrition wise, it is better for the children to eat at the school," Carmona said. "It's about the nutrition and the excellent quality food that they are able to serve (in the lunchroom). It's milk versus a Coke. But with allergies and any medical issue, of course, we would make an exception."

Carmona said she created the policy six years ago after watching students bring "bottles of soda and flaming hot chips" on field trips for their lunch. Although she would not name any other schools that employ such practices, she said it was fairly common.


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And you wonder why Little Billy can't read!!! This is why! We're fiddle fornicating around with crap that is the parents responsibility. Here's a thought you Dumb B*stards, Try teaching the kids how to read REALLY WELL, then they can read books on nutrition and health and make their OWN decisions instead of Principal Carmona's Gestapo tactics. Any parent that allows a school principal to dictate what their child can and cannot eat is guilty of child neglect IMO. Thank God in heaven I don't have school age kids.

I know what I'd do, I'd convert the family to Islam and then since the school has taken the responsibility to feed Little Billy they can provide Lunches that comply with Islamic Dietary requirement (Halal). That would teach their Progressive asses. In my mind it's a winnable lawsuit. The only way to stop progressives is through the courts, especially civil courts that can award financial damages. If they're busy paying legal judgements then that's money that can't be used to corrupt young people. I don't know why Progressives are so frightened by free thinkers? Perhaps because they're afraid that free thinkers would see through their morally bankrupt philosophy?

Just Askin'

 

[Kev3188]

That's not progressive, that's just plain dumb.

Halal, vegetarian, vegan, kosher... all good dietary options.

What about families that pack lunches as a way to save $$? Are they now required to pay for hot lunch?

 

[SparrowHawk]

That's not progressive, that's just plain dumb.

Halal, vegetarian, vegan, kosher... all good dietary options.

What about families that pack lunches as a way to save $$? Are they now required to pay for hot lunch?

OK Kev,
You got me on the first one I have to agree, but my head was doing that Linda Blair Exorcist thing when I read the article.

Second one? Hey eat what you want it's not the schools business.

Third - the article leads one to believe that many are on the subsidized school lunch programs, which may explain the school wanting everyone to eat school prepared food as they get the money on a per pupil basis. Otherwise your assessment seem quite accurate and in theory they would have to pay for the hot lunch.

 

[dapoes]

That's not progressive, that's just plain dumb.

Halal, vegetarian, vegan, kosher... all good dietary options.

What about families that pack lunches as a way to save $$? Are they now required to pay for hot lunch?

Halal is not a "dietary option." It is an Islamic law most referring to animals improperly slaughtered; alcoholic drinks, including all forms of intoxicants; carnivorous animals; birds of prey; and any food contaminated with any of these products.

 

[dapoes]

It is non of the school business, nor right to dictate. Its an overreach but predictable in our current times coming from Obamas hometown of hope and change.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Halal is not a "dietary option." It is an Islamic law most referring to animals improperly slaughtered; alcoholic drinks, including all forms of intoxicants; carnivorous animals; birds of prey; and any food contaminated with any of these products.

Odd thing is that Halal isn't terrifically different from Jewish Dietary laws and IIRC started about the same time.

The primary reason for their existence was preservation of the species. They took on a more deeply religious tradition much later in the story.

 

[Ms Tree]

Odd thing is that Halal isn't terrifically different from Jewish Dietary laws and IIRC started about the same time.

The primary reason for their existence was preservation of the species. They took on a more deeply religious tradition much later in the story.

Not sure what you mean by 'preservation of the species'. If you mean health codes then yes I agree. I think a lot of the Kosher/Halal came from misconceptions about food and illness. If people got sick when eating dairy and meat, they concluded that this combination was bad and banned it. Not realizing it ha to do with pasteurization and meat storage procedures.

I have been in some Kosher house holds (no idea why someone would practice it in this day and age but what ever floats your boat I guess) and they have to have separate eating utensils/dishware for dairy and meat. They can never touch. Can't even be washed in the same sink (one side meat the other side for for the rest)

My mother would have been pissed about this school. I was raised eating very healthy. No processed foods, everything home made. No white bread, no chips, candy or anything else and that is still the way I eat (for the most part). I am positive with out even seeing their menu that I eat healthier than what is on their menu.

Having said that I think I understand the idea behind the plan, but disagree with the implementation. I see what my co-workers eat. I also see that many are over weight or sick quite a bit. Study after study show that kids learn better on a good diet and with proper sleep.

I would have rather seen an optional program with menus sent home to the families. The only prohibitions I would accept ae ones that said if you pack your kids lunch, these are the items that cannot be in it ..... perhaps things like chips, candy, soda ... etc.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Not sure what you mean by 'preservation of the species'. If you mean health codes then yes I agree. I think a lot of the Kosher/Halal came from misconceptions about food and illness. If people got sick when eating dairy and meat, they concluded that this combination was bad and banned it. Not realizing it ha to do with pasteurization and meat storage procedures.

I have been in some Kosher house holds (no idea why someone would practice it in this day and age but what ever floats your boat I guess) and they have to have separate eating utensils/dishware for dairy and meat. They can never touch. Can't even be washed in the same sink (one side meat the other side for for the rest)

My mother would have been pissed about this school. I was raised eating very healthy. No processed foods, everything home made. No white bread, no chips, candy or anything else and that is still the way I eat (for the most part). I am positive with out even seeing their menu that I eat healthier than what is on their menu.

Having said that I think I understand the idea behind the plan, but disagree with the implementation. I see what my co-workers eat. I also see that many are over weight or sick quite a bit. Study after study show that kids learn better on a good diet and with proper sleep.

I would have rather seen an optional program with menus sent home to the families. The only prohibitions I would accept ae ones that said if you pack your kids lunch, these are the items that cannot be in it ..... perhaps things like chips, candy, soda ... etc.

See this is the problem with Republicans and Democrats in that only THEIR brand of Freedom & Liberty robbing policies are right. All of what you say regarding the health of students is correct and has no bearing on a single thing. It's none of the schools business. Or in ebonics "Mind Yo Bidness Mo Fo"

The parents are the sole arbiters of how the child is raised. While Hillary tells us it takes a village to raise a child it apparently also requires a Village Idiot to be the Principal of the local school as she doesn't even grasp the basic concept that the price of Freedom and Liberty is risk. Must have been on the picket line with dad when they covered Individual Rights in Civics

If his/her parents permit the kid to eat 47 Reese's Peanut Butter cups a day and the kid subsequently weighs 432 pounds on their 23rd birthday then that's the choice they made. Live or in this case likely die with it.

The only valid argument depends upon the state of IL school code. Most Privately funded government schools act in what is known as "Loco Parentis" which would give them legal cover to regulate what's served to kids. Most public schools do not. However if you want to get the crap scared right out of you read your states school code and see what is legally permissible. You'll freak out. In PA for example the school code as a matter of public health permits the school to have a Dr perform a pelvic exam on your 6th grade daughter WITHOUT your consent and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. It happened in the late '80', early 90's in PA where an entire 6th grade was lined up and examined. Parents sued and promptly lost every time.

This incident is yet another example of abuse of power and has gone on long enough.

in Loco Parentis

 

[Ms Tree]

If his/her parents permit the kid to eat 47 Reese's Peanut Butter cups a day and the kid subsequently weighs 432 pounds on their 23rd birthday then that's the choice they made. Live or in this case likely die with it.

An extreme example but I would consider that child abuse. The same as beating a child. I believe it is the states right/obligation to protect the children from abuse. There are obvious examples of abuse and there are also less obvious ones on which mature adults can disagree on.

I disagree with what this school is doing. I believe it should be an optional program with certain items prohibited from the school environment.

 

[SparrowHawk]

An extreme example but I would consider that child abuse. The same as beating a child. I believe it is the states right/obligation to protect the children from abuse. There are obvious examples of abuse and there are also less obvious ones on which mature adults can disagree on.

I disagree with what this school is doing. I believe it should be an optional program with certain items prohibited from the school environment.

There is no option! It's not a roll of Government even if you volunteer for it. With Morons like Principal Carmona it would be a shock and surprise if the kids could read not that they couldn't.

While I'm on a full blown Libertarian/Anarchist rant here I honestly don't think we should have a public education system. You have kids? Great Grand and wonderful now pay for their schooling. For me the logic is simple, No publicly funded government schools, No Principal Carmona. A simple concept as we all know a moron like her would last 36 seconds in the private sector and then only if the boss was in the rest room 30 of those 36 seconds. We don't need "Reform" or Block Grants, what we need is for the Department of Education to be defunded and closed forthwith. 3PM EST is none to soon. If states and counties desire to fund a public education system? Fine raise the money and have at it you're just not guaranteed that all parents will send their kids there so you have a significant motivator to deliver a good education.

Libertarians are about the freedom to choose how you want to live your life, We are PRO CHOICE on everything. This alone frightens the knickers right off the 2 major parties and the decidedly Libertarian streak among the Tea Party folks has them both crapping their pants as for the first time in my lifetime the status quo is being challenged at every turn by folks who are essentially calling Bullshite on Washington.

 

[Ms Tree]

No public education? I think that will lead to a class system far worse than what we have now. The rich will be educated the poor will not. The cycle will feed on it's self. In my opinion society as a whole benefits from an educated society. I have no children and I have absolutely no qualms about paying for the education of other peoples kids. India cast system here we come.

Damn straight that your idea of 'pro choice' scares me. I look a the 'choices' that have been made such as segregation and prop 8 just to name two things that come to mind and I have little faith in the public to make the right decision on much of anything.

 

[SparrowHawk]

No public education? I think that will lead to a class system far worse than what we have now. The rich will be educated the poor will not. The cycle will feed on it's self. In my opinion society as a whole benefits from an educated society. I have no children and I have absolutely no qualms about paying for the education of other peoples kids. India cast system here we come.

Damn straight that your idea of 'pro choice' scares me. I look a the 'choices' that have been made such as segregation and prop 8 just to name two things that come to mind and I have little faith in the public to make the right decision on much of anything.

Freedom and Liberty and the courage & Convictions of MLK, Medgar Evers. Malcolm X and many many others broke the back of segregation and reaffirmed the inalienable rights conferred upon all men. Sadly it took 90 freaking years. Evil was crushed because good Men finally did something. Never underestimate the power of a single pissed off person to accomplish great things. One day Rosa Parks had enough and an entire nation benefited. The young men who occupied the Woolworth's Lunch Counter in Birmingham and the subsequent bus boycott. It all stemmed from one pissed off lady in Detroit who wasn't giving up her seat to anyone.

I believe in people. It's that simple, Oh and for the record YOU are the public and frankly I found your comment typical of the elitist arrogance of the Liberal/Progressives who think the world would be a better place if only we would all just listened and did what they tell us to do, after all it's for our own good right?

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes ILK. And others rose up but the civil rights act was not a proposition. Congress passed the law. The 'people' did not pass it nor did a large portion of them agree with it at the time.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Yes ILK. And others rose up but the civil rights act was not a proposition. Congress passed the law. The 'people' did not pass it nor did a large portion of them agree with it at the time.

And who elected them? The people, that's why we live in a Republic and not a democracy. Big difference.

Or differences are becoming crystal clear. You believe that Government holds the answers to a better society. I believe the individual through his/her own endeavors makes the world a better place.

Oh and for the record Rosa Parks flipping off the system happened the year I was born, 1954, Bus boycott a few years later. It took Congress TEN YEARS from Rosa Parks to Civil Rights legislation and the actions of Rose Parks did far more to galvanize opposition to and the ultimate end of segregation than the Civil Rights act ever did. Additionally the Federal Government generally sat on it's lilly white arse while lynchings, intimidation and church bombing continued unabated as did Klan activity.

Nope it's people power that drives change, look at the budget battle. Do you really think if there had not been a strong element of Tea Party activism that it would not have been business as usual instead of the drama we had? Bob Dylan sais it best, "The Times They Are a Changing" and it's looking like if you're a progressive today is not your day and your day ain't coming soon.

 

[southwind]

An extreme example but I would consider that child abuse. The same as beating a child. I believe it is the states right/obligation to protect the children from abuse. There are obvious examples of abuse and there are also less obvious ones on which mature adults can disagree on.

I disagree with what this school is doing. I believe it should be an optional program with certain items prohibited from the school environment.

Maybe if certain people had received a needed beating, when they were young , they wouldn't grow up thinking that government is the answer to all of their problems and that you have to take responsibilty for yourself !