More Planes For Ted!

[mrman]

I'm sure Ted's making money, since there's more seats with fannies in them.

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This is the same arguement my partner makes, "I can't be overdrawn, I still have checks left"

 

[mweiss]

Flight attendants only get paid when flying.

[post="252800"][/post]​

Wages, yes. FAs also get benefits whether flying or not. Is the marginal question between the FA flying and staying home, or between the FA flying on this flight and flying on some other flight that otherwise would not have flown at all (i.e., schedule reductions), or between the FA flying on this flight and being furloughed (how do your benefits work when you're furloughed...I really don't know)?

Depending on the marginal question, you may get different answers. I'm not sure what the alternatives are in your case. However, if the choice is between you flying at regular wages or staying home, I would agree that the extra seats may pay for themselves...provided they are filled with revenue passengers often enough.

 

[Fly]

The flights are full.

BENEFITS!?! They took those.

All I'm saying is, the flight attendant doesn't make or break anything. The extra seats easily pay for the extra flight attendant.

 

[casual rat]

This is the same arguement my partner makes, "I can't be overdrawn, I still have checks left"

[post="252859"][/post]​

Uh, like if the flights are like full, and like the people like paid money to be on the airplane....I dunno. I don't see where your partner's not being overdrawn because he/she still has checks has anything to do with full planes of revenue passengers. How is it the same argument? Please explain...

 

[mweiss]

The flights are full.

100% Load Factor? I doubt that. The relevant question is, what is the load factor of the seats above 150? Then you can calculate from that the marginal revenue generated by those additional seats. Then you have to figure out the marginal costs associated with the additional FA and the additional passengers. Subtract the marginal cost from the marginal revenue.

BENEFITS!?! They took those.

You get no paid vacation? No paid sick time? No health insurance?

All I'm saying is, the flight attendant doesn't make or break anything. The extra seats easily pay for the extra flight attendant.

[post="252872"][/post]​

And all I'm saying that I'd be surprised if you had enough information to be able to accurately answer that question.

 

[Fly]

Why don't YOU do it for us Mike, seeing that YOU believe YOU know everything!

It's pretty BASIC math. A flight attendant (at poverty wages) isn't gonna make one bit of difference.

 

[mweiss]

Why don't YOU do it for us Mike, seeing that YOU believe YOU know everything!

Um, no, I don't know what the load factors are, nor do I know what the bottom fares are on the flights. My point is that I don't think you do, either.

 

[kcabpilot]

Ted is part of the Master Plan

it's United minus U 'n I

 

[Fly]

OK, do you believe they are EVER less than $80 a leg? FYI, you have no idea what I may or may not know. You just like to kick the mud around and see where it lands. Hope you're having fun! (hope you're never on my flight)




where is that dang Visine?

 

[mweiss]

Fly, I'm sorry. I honestly don't mean to be a pain about this. I'll drop it.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Why don't YOU do it for us Mike, seeing that YOU believe YOU know everything!

It's pretty BASIC math. A flight attendant (at poverty wages) isn't gonna make one bit of difference.

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One cannot quantify the ‘unknown’.
There are no separate financial accounting reports to prove and/or disprove that ‘TED’ is making/loosing money.

Flying planes full can be a financial attribute when revenue exceeds costs.
Flying planes full when costs exceed revenue is a financial drain.

The ‘financials’ of ‘TED’ is being held close to the vest.

Why is it so hard to report the financial results of a money making venture?

????????????????

B) UT

 

[Fly]

I didn't try to say Ted was or wasn't making money. All I was referring to is the extra flight attendant's presence not being a factor in cost for Ted.

 

[FWAAA]

I didn't try to say Ted was or wasn't making money. All I was referring to is the extra flight attendant's presence not being a factor in cost for Ted.

[post="252977"][/post]​

And without knowing how many of Ted's flights are dispatched with a revenue load factor greater than 96% it is impossible for anyone to be certain whether the extra 6 seats (requiring the extra FA on every single flight regardless of load) actually costs UA money.

My guess is that the extra 6 seats are a break-even proposition.

 

[mweiss]

My guess is that the extra 6 seats are a break-even proposition.

[post="252987"][/post]​

If so, then they're great to have. More people get to travel, and more people get to be employed.

 

[Busdrvr]

And without knowing how many of Ted's flights are dispatched with a revenue load factor greater than 96% it is impossible for anyone to be certain whether the extra 6 seats (requiring the extra FA on every single flight regardless of load) actually costs UA money.

My guess is that the extra 6 seats are a break-even proposition.

[post="252987"][/post]​

Silly fools at Jetblu. To think, they could cut the seats to 149 and save so much money. now if UAL REALLY wanted to save big bucks, they could cut it to 99 seats on an A320 .