More F/A furloughs

[onceoza]

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On 2/17/2003 7:16:43 AM L1011Ret wrote:

That leads to another side of this argument. Do you suppose AA management is offering overage leaves only to LLC F/As because because it follows the APFA contract? The contract clearly states that OVLs be offered prior to a furlough. And yet OVLs will not be offered to native AA F/As, only to STL F/As. And the overage is not in STL but at other AA bases. All this per Jane Allen. Such decisions, to my mind clearly not following the contract, create a lack of trust with the employees, more litigation, etc. So where is APFA in representing STL LLC F/As?
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Obviously, nowhere! The STL domicile has already lost 60% with 100% gone in the near future. Where is the APFA? Where is John Ward? You'd think that he would have some sort of meeting for his STL members. The answer is, John Ward is a coward...can't face us. Why isn't the APFA fighting to have the contract complied with in regards to the offering of OVL's? Where is the outrage of the APFA native AA flight attendants?

 

[coldplay]

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On 2/17/2003 8:57:50 AM onceoza wrote:

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The answer is, John Ward is a coward...can't face us. Why isn't the APFA fighting to have the contract complied with in regards to the offering of OVL's? Where is the outrage of the APFA native AA flight attendants?

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send him a change of address card, and voice your sentiments. I've heard that you guys are pretty good at doing stuff like that. oh wait...that's already been done.

how about a group of you fly to whereever the BOD meets next time, and picket it and try to disrupt the meeting...oh wait, that's already been done.

Better yet, how about suing him? oh wait.....

 

[L1011Ret]

He'll do anything to avoid the issue.

 

[TWAnr]

Will someone care to explain why John Ward has an unwritten agreement with AA management that requires all contacts, communications and negotiations concerning furloughs and OVL issues to go only to him and to no other APFA officer or BOD member? What is he hiding?

Somehow I get the impression of the fox guarding the henhouse.

 

[onceoza]

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On 2/17/2003 11:24:58 AM L1011Ret wrote:

He'll do anything to avoid the issue.
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Seems that Coldplay doesn't see any problem with APFA collecting dues from us, though.

 

[coldplay]

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On 2/17/2003 3:39:27 PM onceoza wrote:

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On 2/17/2003 11:24:58 AM L1011Ret wrote:

He'll do anything to avoid the issue.
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Seems that Coldplay doesn't see any problem with APFA collecting dues from us, though.

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only the ones who deliberately refuse to pay...wait, isn't that about half your base?

 

[riptide44]

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On 2/17/2003 6:07:28 PM coldplay wrote:

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On 2/17/2003 3:39:27 PM onceoza wrote:

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On 2/17/2003 11:24:58 AM L1011Ret wrote:

He'll do anything to avoid the issue.
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Seems that Coldplay doesn't see any problem with APFA collecting dues from us, though.

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only the ones who deliberately refuse to pay...wait, isn't that about half your base?
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Coldplay: If you want the facts and numbers of non-dues payers of apfa, you can obtain them yourself. You will see, if you do take the energy to find facts(according to apfa records)-- that you are dead wrong in your last post. Do your research before you spout......you've already lost credibility in your raucous posts...
Here is a hint: www.apfa.org

 

[L1011Ret]

Actually APFA recently published some stats about dues payers, seems STL was only slightly ahead of DFW.

 

[kirkpatrick]

I recently posted some figures taken right from Skyword, the APFA publication. Non-compliance at STL is running 6.7%, not too far off DFW's 5.1%

MK

 

[TWAnr]

The official word is that the flying is being shifted to accommodate seniority and that any furlough mitigation leaves will be offered in St. Louis only.

Avek was right.

 

[L1011Ret]

It seems APFA has had a change of heart. Immediately after being notified that a second DFR suit would ne filed over the issue of overage leaves, APFA suddenly decided to file a "Presidential" grievance to force AA to offer Overage Leaves across all domiciles instead of STL only. It is disturbing that one subgroup, TWA LLC F/As, has to threaten to file suit to against their union to represent them in the same way it represents native AA F/As. It smacks of discrimination by the union.

 

[MiAAmi]

Whatever!

 

[AAStew]

Folks,
It is hard to beleieve, we all work for the same company as F/A's. Yes, I am an AA'er from the beginning, but we have to empathise with our coworkers at TWA-AA-LLc or whatever AA chooses to call it. They have been screwed from the very beginning not only by our company but by theirs. I do agree that we bought TWA and they should be integrated as to when we bought them as it wasn't a merger, but we are all in that precarious position right now where none of knows if we will have a job next year. Unfortunately for them the company has cannabalized their airline after hinting of sweet things to come. OUr company made a bad business decision (an example of Carty's great leadership). It has hurt us and destroyed TWA.
If we are to survive we need a voice in this company. We need to get Carty out of this place. I wonder if Herb Kelleher is looking for a job?