Merger Mania Thread

Whether you want to say that it was F9 mgmt or F9 pilots who decided they didn't want to be acquired by WN doesn't really matter. The fact that F9 decided they didn't really want to be acquired by WN, created hurdles large enough that WN said it wasn't interested in pursuing the deal, and instead of having a potentially nasty labor situation on their hands after the deal was announced, WN walked away and instead pursued the FL deal which gives them more of what they needed anyway - a presence on the east coast. It may well have been also that FL mgmt started talking seriously with WN as the F9 deal was being worked and told WN they could do a deal - there had been discussions for years w/o a deal - and WN decided this was going to work and it was no longer worth pursuing F9 given the likelihood of a deal with FL which could yield far more benefits.
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No, I'm not wrong... F9 - regardless of whether it was mgmt or labor - didn't do a deal with WN on terms that WN could accept so WN will now be F9's archrival and probably will not stop until F9 is taken out.
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Lest anyone think that WN management isn't as bloodthirsty and as desirous of eliminating nasty competitive fights as I make them out to be, it should not be lost on anyone that WN had significant network overlap with both F9 and FL. FL mgmt was smart enough to realize that everywhere they tried to add capacity and grow outside of ATL, WN was standing there and fighting to limit FL's growth.
FL mgmt was smart enough to know the best option for their company and their employees was to sell out before WN moved in for the kill - which is exactly what they are going to do with F9. FL also has enough assets outside of WN overlap markets that WN sees much more value in what it gain from FL than the duplicate capacity which they will eliminate.
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US could go after F9 but why would they want to get in the middle of a nasty 3 way battle in DEN as well as in the midwest including MKE where WN is hell bent on eliminating them?
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At the end of the day, there will be less capacity in MKE and DEN and BWI than there are today and WN will have achieved that by eliminating competitors - whether it be by acquisition/merger with FL or an all out competitive knockout with F9.
In that regard, WN's competitive strategies are no different from some network carriers who have vigorously protected their markets during competitive attacks by other carriers only to reduce capacity and raise fares after the fact. The only reason WN hasn't done that near as much before is because they have largely operated from airports where they were was little competition before and where they were able to grow the markets to grow what they wanted.
Now, they have to compete with other carriers to grow their share of the market; sometimes they win through all out competition and sometimes they win by acquiring their competitors.... either way, nothing that network carriers before them haven't done before.
 
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I read and understood that when F9 was in BK, Republic had a bid on it and WN put in a higher bid, but the BK judge awarded it to Republic stating it was not an auction. A WN veep(#22) said that they were going to win. After that I read on these boards how WN was actively going after F9.

And I believe it was me that labeled this in reference to US a 'WN Attack. WN might not want F9, but I wouldn't want to be a WN target :ph34r:
 
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I read and understood that when F9 was in BK, Republic had a bid on it and WN put in a higher bid, but the BK judge awarded it to Republic stating it was not an auction. A WN veep(#22) said that they were going to win. After that I read on these boards how WN was actively going after F9.

And I believe it was me that labeled this in reference to US a 'WN Attack. WN might not want F9, but I wouldn't want to be a WN target :ph34r:
PS WN said it would replace F9's Euo Airbus with American built Boeing B)

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Thank-you! That is what I was referring to.
Then the judge still awarded it to Republic!
Well don't know if it reinforced your position, but the " REAL VALUE", of an AIRLINE is SLOTS, GATES, INT'L ROUTE AUTHORITY, somewhat of an emotional attachment every trench employee "FAILS TO RECOGNIZE". Those are things that can't be negotiated, except in acquisition or auction, if you read the article you get a quasi understanding of the nature of the beast, leased gate utilization IE A/C turn time, pax boarded thru that gate, utilization, you get the picture, the A/C that does it or the crew is a disposable resource, that leased gate, route, slot expense is a fixed cost, worth something for revenue generation! BIG REASON for airline acquisition! PHX , LAS, figure it out! MM!
 
Now back to the topic of who will merge with US . In a rude awakening entitled-I can't believe it's not a merger! Everybody is obviously overlooking the obvious. Consider Spirit!
They are worse than US in every way! What US is to WN, Spirit is to US! I believe that they never dropped US's fiasco of charging for Cokes! The CEO thinks that people don't need luggage on their vacations so he charges for a carry ons. If US pax are Kettles, then Spirit passengers must be total $#!7heads who like paying for anything!

Spirit proves that an airline doesn't have to hide the fact that it will charge you for anything and everything. How does Spirit stay in business? Must be that 44 DD fa in their ads. They once had a Deep Discount promotion. Spirit was notorious with making inuendos. MILF was used once, too.

I thought Spirit had a great selling edge until it became a mini US gone mad!

US/Spirit is a match made in heaven.
 
Well don't know if it reinforced your position, but the " REAL VALUE", of an AIRLINE is SLOTS, GATES, INT'L ROUTE AUTHORITY, somewhat of an emotional attachment every trench employee "FAILS TO RECOGNIZE". Those are things that can't be negotiated, except in acquisition or auction, if you read the article you get a quasi understanding of the nature of the beast, leased gate utilization IE A/C turn time, pax boarded thru that gate, utilization, you get the picture, the A/C that does it or the crew is a disposable resource, that leased gate, route, slot expense is a fixed cost, worth something for revenue generation! BIG REASON for airline acquisition! PHX , LAS, figure it out! MM!
That may be at major airports. At regionals WN looks at customer convenience. Easy access to gate, amenities, food services, etc.

This is just my observation and opinion.
 
WN all ready tried that, didnt work, they dont need F9, they dont fly 737s and they can just pick up pieces as needed, they have nothing to offer anyone right now and are bleeding cash.
F9 flies Atlanta and Mexico including Cancun. Not that WN is looking to expand or anything :rolleyes:
 
Now back to the topic of who will merge with US . In a rude awakening entitled-I can't believe it's not a merger! Everybody is obviously overlooking the obvious. Consider Spirit!
They are worse than US in every way! What US is to WN, Spirit is to US! I believe that they never dropped US's fiasco of charging for Cokes! The CEO thinks that people don't need luggage on their vacations so he charges for a carry ons. If US pax are Kettles, then Spirit passengers must be total $#!7heads who like paying for anything!

Spirit proves that an airline doesn't have to hide the fact that it will charge you for anything and everything. How does Spirit stay in business? Must be that 44 DD fa in their ads. They once had a Deep Discount promotion. Spirit was notorious with making inuendos. MILF was used once, too.

I thought Spirit had a great selling edge until it became a mini US gone mad!

US/Spirit is a match made in heaven.

The current CEO of Spirit was once VP Sales and Marketing at US. He is directly responsible for the formation of FFOCUS, and for the genesis of the "Cockroaches".....

In August, 2002, B Ben Baldanza announced that US would only count miles earned on full fare tickets toward elite status-- only to reverse course about 10 days later, after US was bombarded with emails, phone calls, letters, promising a customer revolt. I had a direct hand in organizing this customer revolt, which resulted in a few of us banding together and starting the organization.

I do see some synergies though, of a US-Spirit merger....but it would be the end of business travelers using US Airways. The difference is that Spirit knows what it wants to be and is not shy about being honest about it, while US still can't figure it out and tries hard to be something it is not to this day...
 
I do see some synergies though, of a US-Spirit merger....but it would be the end of business travelers using US Airways. The difference is that Spirit knows what it wants to be and is not shy about being honest about it, while US still can't figure it out and tries hard to be something it is not to this day...
which is precisely why it wno't happen... US gets more revenue from its network with its current model than NK could and you couldn't fit US' cost structure onto NK's model.
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Suppose that US' attempt at FLL hub and Nks' buildup were related to that seem ship-jumping executive?
 
http://thefloridanewsjournal.com/2011/07/18/u-s-airways-reportedly-in-talks-to-buy-competitor/
Phoenix, AZ -

Unconfirmed reports say U.S. Airways is trying to buy out competitor Alaskan Airlines. After previous failed attempts to merge with United, U.S. Airways is the last of the major airlines which have not merged.

The two airlines have very little overlapping routes, and a merger could increase both airlines’ overall presence and market share.

Alaskan Airlines is based out of Seattle and operates a fleet of 117 aircraft, all Boeing. The airline has active hubs at Seattle, Portland and Anchorage and operates a secondary hub at Los Angeles International. Alaskan also won the top spot for “Traditional Carrier” for 2011.

U.S. Airways has 339 airplanes from both Airbus and Boeing and is headquartered in Tempe, Arizona. Active hubs for the airline include Phoenix, Charlotte, Philadelphia and Washington DC’s Reagan National is a focus city for the airline. The airline bought America West in 2005.

U.S. Airways had no comment when contacted.
 
Who is Alaskan Airlines?

You would think a newspaper would know the correct name of an airline.

Sounds BS to me.
 
http://thefloridanewsjournal.com/2011/07/18/u-s-airways-reportedly-in-talks-to-buy-competitor/
Phoenix, AZ -

Unconfirmed reports say U.S. Airways is trying to buy out competitor Alaskan Airlines. After previous failed attempts to merge with United, U.S. Airways is the last of the major airlines which have not merged.

The two airlines have very little overlapping routes, and a merger could increase both airlines’ overall presence and market share.

Alaskan Airlines is based out of Seattle and operates a fleet of 117 aircraft, all Boeing. The airline has active hubs at Seattle, Portland and Anchorage and operates a secondary hub at Los Angeles International. Alaskan also won the top spot for “Traditional Carrier” for 2011.

U.S. Airways has 339 airplanes from both Airbus and Boeing and is headquartered in Tempe, Arizona. Active hubs for the airline include Phoenix, Charlotte, Philadelphia and Washington DC’s Reagan National is a focus city for the airline. The airline bought America West in 2005.

U.S. Airways had no comment when contacted.

How can they be a "major competitor" when "the two airlines have very little overlapping routes"?

Slow news day....let's make something up!
 

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