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David Bronner, CEO of the state pension system, said RSA was asked to invest in the proposed merger, but he declined because RSA would not be given a big enough role in directing the new company.
What did you do for the company to begin with? Every time he opened his big mouth it was to threaten liquidation!!
"They just want your money and don't want you to have any control," Bronner said in an interview Friday with The Associated Press.
WA WA WA WA!!! BOO HOO BOO HOO!!! Cry baby.
"Normally the people who put in new money have the majority of the seats, which is what's unusual about this deal," Bronner said in the interview
Guess he should have put up more money. The old saying.....put up or shut up applies here IMO.
Good riddance Dr. B.
What did you do for the company to begin with? Every time he opened his big mouth it was to threaten liquidation!!
"They just want your money and don't want you to have any control," Bronner said in an interview Friday with The Associated Press.
WA WA WA WA!!! BOO HOO BOO HOO!!! Cry baby.
"Normally the people who put in new money have the majority of the seats, which is what's unusual about this deal," Bronner said in the interview
Guess he should have put up more money. The old saying.....put up or shut up applies here IMO.
Good riddance Dr. B.
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Funguy2:
I was referring to the B767/B757 and the on-going negotiations with Airbus. It is my understanding from one MEC Rep in the briefing ALPA received no dcecions has beem made on the B767/B757 retirement shcedule. You're correct that the company wants to transition to all Aribus transatlantic flying.
If you read my initial post in this topic a little closer I said, "To rationalize international flying, the merged company will work with Airbus to transition to an all-Airbus international fleet of A330 aircraft and then beginning in 2011 the company will be the launch customer for the A350, with deliveries scheduled for 2010 through 2013."
I attended today's ALPA MEC meeting and due to time constraints I have been unable to complete what I have learned about the fleet plan. I will try to post an update later tonight.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
I was referring to the B767/B757 and the on-going negotiations with Airbus. It is my understanding from one MEC Rep in the briefing ALPA received no dcecions has beem made on the B767/B757 retirement shcedule. You're correct that the company wants to transition to all Aribus transatlantic flying.
If you read my initial post in this topic a little closer I said, "To rationalize international flying, the merged company will work with Airbus to transition to an all-Airbus international fleet of A330 aircraft and then beginning in 2011 the company will be the launch customer for the A350, with deliveries scheduled for 2010 through 2013."
I attended today's ALPA MEC meeting and due to time constraints I have been unable to complete what I have learned about the fleet plan. I will try to post an update later tonight.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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You're correct that the company wants to transition to all Aribus transatlantic flying.
This is not only directed at you, 320, but how does AB compare to Boeing as to the transit of cargo over the Atlantic? The current urban myth says Boeing is the best, and makes money even with an empty airplane (empty of Pax.) To date, I have never met an AB330 pilot who had anything but praise for the 330. To date I have never had any pilot say they liked the 330 better than the Boeing. Just a little food for discussion. Greeter.
This is not only directed at you, 320, but how does AB compare to Boeing as to the transit of cargo over the Atlantic? The current urban myth says Boeing is the best, and makes money even with an empty airplane (empty of Pax.) To date, I have never met an AB330 pilot who had anything but praise for the 330. To date I have never had any pilot say they liked the 330 better than the Boeing. Just a little food for discussion. Greeter.
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justaumechanic said:
Any chance you can exapnd on the differences in configuration?
5 different 733 configurations? US used to have a 733 and a 73L but all of the aux tanks have been deactivated and most removed. Seating configuration is the same on all U 733's.
2 different 734 configurations? I though only US had 734's and they are all currently configured the same. 12/132
5 different 757 configurations? US has 2 subfleets both configured to 8/185. The only variation between the U 757 subfleets are that 16 airplanes are configured for overwater operations.
2 different 767 configurations? All US 767's are configured the same - as far as I know.
I'm just curious what the differences in configurations are.
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You had US Air 737s and PI 737s, they are not exactly the same for mtc.
The 734s were all PI planes at first, some were EOW, but not anymore.
757s you have the Eastern Birds and the US Air ones, two differant styles when it comes to total mtc.
The 767s were PI ordered except the last three were US Air, I believe they are all the same.
The 734s were all PI planes at first, some were EOW, but not anymore.
757s you have the Eastern Birds and the US Air ones, two differant styles when it comes to total mtc.
The 767s were PI ordered except the last three were US Air, I believe they are all the same.
700UW said:
I think a few of the PI 737's had TWO jumpseats...
If the 767's (except for the last three) were all PI orders that makes them all 16 or so years old or older... Time to swap them for the 330, if for no other reason, they are likely becoming MX who***.
In the current issue of JP Fleets International they show HP 733's in the following different seat configurations, F8-Y126 (majority including all built new for HP 3G7's) F8-Y120 ( 4 used including 3 former US birds) F8-Y118 ( 8 used including 1 ex US bird former N583US). I'm thinking maybe different galley configs that HP chose to to reconfigure as that can be expensive. Comments anyone ?
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You need to learn your fleet a little better.
The 767 fleet once numbered 12. 6 767-201's and 6 767-2B7's. The first 6 were
PI ordered and in PI spec, the second 6 were US order in US spec. Aircraft 656 is the odd ball in the fleet.. The last delivered and it has some differences in its systems.
The 737-400 fleet.. First 20 were 737-401's the remaining orders were 737-4B7's.
Around aircraft 418 US started cutting in US spec equipment.
737-300 fleet is a mix bag. Mostly 737-3B7's US spec. We did have some odd balls as well. 528-534 were the last -300's delivered and are slightly different from the
orginal 737-300's.
757's. 10 are Eastern 757-225's and the other 21 are 757-2B7's. They are somewhat similar from a pilots perspective but from a mechanics perspective they have some significant differences.
The Airbus Fleet is pretty standard with the exception of aircraft 101-105. They are former PAL aircraft that US picked up on the line. (good deal at the time)
The America West fleet of A320's are quite a bit different.. They have the oldest of the old and the newest of the new.. On top of that they have the V2500 vs US CFM56-5's.
The 767 fleet once numbered 12. 6 767-201's and 6 767-2B7's. The first 6 were
PI ordered and in PI spec, the second 6 were US order in US spec. Aircraft 656 is the odd ball in the fleet.. The last delivered and it has some differences in its systems.
The 737-400 fleet.. First 20 were 737-401's the remaining orders were 737-4B7's.
Around aircraft 418 US started cutting in US spec equipment.
737-300 fleet is a mix bag. Mostly 737-3B7's US spec. We did have some odd balls as well. 528-534 were the last -300's delivered and are slightly different from the
orginal 737-300's.
757's. 10 are Eastern 757-225's and the other 21 are 757-2B7's. They are somewhat similar from a pilots perspective but from a mechanics perspective they have some significant differences.
The Airbus Fleet is pretty standard with the exception of aircraft 101-105. They are former PAL aircraft that US picked up on the line. (good deal at the time)
The America West fleet of A320's are quite a bit different.. They have the oldest of the old and the newest of the new.. On top of that they have the V2500 vs US CFM56-5's.
700UW said:
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US Airways-America West Fleet Plan Strategic Analysis - May 21, 2005
Last Thursday US Airways and America West announced there much anticipated merger and provided some information on the near-term and long-term fleet plan, but not enough information has been made available to “nail down†an accurate fleet count.
I believe specific details have not been released for two reasons. The companies have not finalized new aircraft deliveries with Airbus and during the transition into a single business entity, management has the ability to “whip saw†each pilot group, if one pilot group becomes unresponsive to management’s needs.
Will this “labor negotiating†tactic be used? Nobody knows but it is a tool management has at its disposal.
The new merged airline will operate a fleet of 361 aircraft, down from a total of 419 mainline aircraft flown by the separate airlines at the beginning of 2005. At the beginning of 2005 US Airways had 281 aircraft and America West 138 aircraft.
In addition, the new carrier will fly 239 regional jets and 57 turboprop aircraft.
To get a better understanding of the future mainline fleet plan lets look at what’s known in more detail.
US Airways Mainline Fleet Plan
Aircraft 12/31/04 12/31/05 12/31/06 12/31/07
A330 9 9 9 9
B767 10 10 10 10
B757 31 31 31 31
A319/20/21 94 84 84 84
B737 113 92 82 77
Total 281 251 241 236
Source: Company reports
Note (1) – US Airways has reduced one A319 per month from February through May 2005. One A319 will be removed from service in June through August and then three A319s will be taken out for service in September 2005. The B737 2005 reduction is eleven aircraft in May and nine aircraft in September 2005. One B757 will be removed from the fleet in September 2005 for heavy maintenance and will return to service on a subsequent bid
Note (2) – US Airways will remove from the fleet ten B737s in 2006 and five in 2007.
Note (3) – US Airways’ A320 family fleet of 94 aircraft on October 31, 2005 will consist of twenty-eight A321s, twenty-four A320s, twenty-four A319EOWs, and thirty-two A319 non-EOW aircraft.
Note (4) – US Airways reported to ALPA the previously announced 46 aircraft retirement schedule listed above will remain in place.
Note (4) – US Airways controls twenty-five EMB170 with three aircraft in US Airways’ livery awaiting delivery. US Airways has the option but not the obligation to transfer these aircraft to Republic Airways. No decision has been made yet on either the Republic investment agreement or the sale of MDA assets. In the future US Airways will address this issue as it completes its plan of reorganization.
America West Mainline Fleet Plan
Aircraft 6/30/05
B757 13
A319/20 89
B737 37
Total 139
Source: Company reports
Additional aircraft retirements
US Airways said to achieve the combined aircraft reduction from the start of 2005 combined company fleet count of 419 to 361 aircraft (which is a net difference of 58 aircraft), the company projects returning 25 additional aircraft by the end of 2006. This is in addition to the 46 it already plans to return. Nearly all will be returned to GECAS and specific aircraft reductions have not yet been announced.
Through Pilot permanent Bid 05-02A US Airways fleet was reduced from 281 to with 6 A319s and 11 B737s returned from service. On Bid 05-03 that runs through September 4 more A319s and 10 B737s will be removed and at the end of September the mainline fleet count will be 250 aircraft.
Previous aircraft deliveries that now appear cancelled
US Airways had firm deliveries for twenty-nine Airbus aircraft. From 2008 through 2010 ten A330s, thirteen A321s, and six A320s will be delivered.
America West had five A319 and five A320 deliveries scheduled in the third and fourth quarters of 2005. America West has twenty-four A320 family firm orders beyond December 31, 2005, but it’s delivery schedule was unclear.
From July 1, 2005 through 2010 the combined companies had firm orders for 63 A320 family aircraft, but it appears from the company bulletins and discussions with ALPA these orders will change, but it appears specific details with Airbus have not been finalized.
Post merger announcement aircraft deliveries
The merged airline will be the launch customer for the A350, with deliveries scheduled for 2011 through 2013. News media and union reports indicate the company will take delivery of 20 of these new jets.
The combined airline will take delivery of 13 A320s previously ordered by America West and Airbus has agreed to reschedule and reconfirm 30 A320s from 2006 through 2008 to 2009 through 2010.
The airlines’ also said that the merged company will work with the manufacturer to transition to an all-Airbus international fleet of A330s and then beginning in 2011 A350s.
Summary
US Airways senior management told ALPA the company plans a “metered†reduction in mainline to match aircraft operations with pilot attrition, which will prevent furloughs. The end September 2005 mainline fleet count will be 250 aircraft, at the end of 2006 it will be 215 aircraft, and at the end of 2007 210 aircraft.
The schedule could be adjusted dependent upon when the 13 A320s delivered to the combined company will arrive, but at the end of 2007 the combined fleet will consist of:
US Airways – 210 aircraft
America West – 138 aircraft
Combined deliveries – 13 aircraft
Total – 361 aircraft
Then in 2008 through 2009 30 A320s could be added to the fleet, but it’s unclear if these will be replacement aircraft for presumably the B737 or additional aircraft.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Last Thursday US Airways and America West announced there much anticipated merger and provided some information on the near-term and long-term fleet plan, but not enough information has been made available to “nail down†an accurate fleet count.
I believe specific details have not been released for two reasons. The companies have not finalized new aircraft deliveries with Airbus and during the transition into a single business entity, management has the ability to “whip saw†each pilot group, if one pilot group becomes unresponsive to management’s needs.
Will this “labor negotiating†tactic be used? Nobody knows but it is a tool management has at its disposal.
The new merged airline will operate a fleet of 361 aircraft, down from a total of 419 mainline aircraft flown by the separate airlines at the beginning of 2005. At the beginning of 2005 US Airways had 281 aircraft and America West 138 aircraft.
In addition, the new carrier will fly 239 regional jets and 57 turboprop aircraft.
To get a better understanding of the future mainline fleet plan lets look at what’s known in more detail.
US Airways Mainline Fleet Plan
Aircraft 12/31/04 12/31/05 12/31/06 12/31/07
A330 9 9 9 9
B767 10 10 10 10
B757 31 31 31 31
A319/20/21 94 84 84 84
B737 113 92 82 77
Total 281 251 241 236
Source: Company reports
Note (1) – US Airways has reduced one A319 per month from February through May 2005. One A319 will be removed from service in June through August and then three A319s will be taken out for service in September 2005. The B737 2005 reduction is eleven aircraft in May and nine aircraft in September 2005. One B757 will be removed from the fleet in September 2005 for heavy maintenance and will return to service on a subsequent bid
Note (2) – US Airways will remove from the fleet ten B737s in 2006 and five in 2007.
Note (3) – US Airways’ A320 family fleet of 94 aircraft on October 31, 2005 will consist of twenty-eight A321s, twenty-four A320s, twenty-four A319EOWs, and thirty-two A319 non-EOW aircraft.
Note (4) – US Airways reported to ALPA the previously announced 46 aircraft retirement schedule listed above will remain in place.
Note (4) – US Airways controls twenty-five EMB170 with three aircraft in US Airways’ livery awaiting delivery. US Airways has the option but not the obligation to transfer these aircraft to Republic Airways. No decision has been made yet on either the Republic investment agreement or the sale of MDA assets. In the future US Airways will address this issue as it completes its plan of reorganization.
America West Mainline Fleet Plan
Aircraft 6/30/05
B757 13
A319/20 89
B737 37
Total 139
Source: Company reports
Additional aircraft retirements
US Airways said to achieve the combined aircraft reduction from the start of 2005 combined company fleet count of 419 to 361 aircraft (which is a net difference of 58 aircraft), the company projects returning 25 additional aircraft by the end of 2006. This is in addition to the 46 it already plans to return. Nearly all will be returned to GECAS and specific aircraft reductions have not yet been announced.
Through Pilot permanent Bid 05-02A US Airways fleet was reduced from 281 to with 6 A319s and 11 B737s returned from service. On Bid 05-03 that runs through September 4 more A319s and 10 B737s will be removed and at the end of September the mainline fleet count will be 250 aircraft.
Previous aircraft deliveries that now appear cancelled
US Airways had firm deliveries for twenty-nine Airbus aircraft. From 2008 through 2010 ten A330s, thirteen A321s, and six A320s will be delivered.
America West had five A319 and five A320 deliveries scheduled in the third and fourth quarters of 2005. America West has twenty-four A320 family firm orders beyond December 31, 2005, but it’s delivery schedule was unclear.
From July 1, 2005 through 2010 the combined companies had firm orders for 63 A320 family aircraft, but it appears from the company bulletins and discussions with ALPA these orders will change, but it appears specific details with Airbus have not been finalized.
Post merger announcement aircraft deliveries
The merged airline will be the launch customer for the A350, with deliveries scheduled for 2011 through 2013. News media and union reports indicate the company will take delivery of 20 of these new jets.
The combined airline will take delivery of 13 A320s previously ordered by America West and Airbus has agreed to reschedule and reconfirm 30 A320s from 2006 through 2008 to 2009 through 2010.
The airlines’ also said that the merged company will work with the manufacturer to transition to an all-Airbus international fleet of A330s and then beginning in 2011 A350s.
Summary
US Airways senior management told ALPA the company plans a “metered†reduction in mainline to match aircraft operations with pilot attrition, which will prevent furloughs. The end September 2005 mainline fleet count will be 250 aircraft, at the end of 2006 it will be 215 aircraft, and at the end of 2007 210 aircraft.
The schedule could be adjusted dependent upon when the 13 A320s delivered to the combined company will arrive, but at the end of 2007 the combined fleet will consist of:
US Airways – 210 aircraft
America West – 138 aircraft
Combined deliveries – 13 aircraft
Total – 361 aircraft
Then in 2008 through 2009 30 A320s could be added to the fleet, but it’s unclear if these will be replacement aircraft for presumably the B737 or additional aircraft.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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