Median Lcc Payrate May Be The Fair Solution

[dbcooper]

From an article on U's executive compensation in the CLT Observer today:
"At US Airways, labor groups have become increasingly frustrated with so-called "golden parachutes," bonuses given to executives after leaving the company, regardless of success.

The airline's CEO, Bruce Lakefield, says he will not receive such a package. His $425,000 salary is already pegged to the median salaries of CEOs at AirTran, America West, JetBlue and Southwest, according to US Airways."

This could be the consensus formula for restructured payrates, like the "parity plus 1%'' of years ago. Sturcture the revised pay scales to the median of the 4 LCC. If work rule changes can also be modified to a "median" of the LCC, then there may be a basis for acceptance by workers of something that is worth while and realistic as opposed the "worst of all worlds" models that U management keeps presenting.

 

[AC/CF]

I have always felt that would be the correct approach to take. Why pick the lowest paid of all the LCCs and determine that to be my wage. From what I have gleaned from reading this forum Southwest tops now at about 22 with raises to come, Jetblue tops at about 20, Airtran about 17 and America West at 13 with possible raies to come. Average that, you get $18.25. Makes sense to me.

 

[wheels]

You might have something there DB....

 

[skyflyr69]

U should also do a median figure on the headcount/aircraft.
4000 mechs/279 aircraft U
1000 mechs/400 aircraft at LUV. START THERE!!!!!!!!!!
No cleaners at most LCC'S etc. etc.
F/A's clean at the LCC's
this would be my suggestion.

 

[700UW]

Southwest has aircraft appearance technicians and I believe the FAs in their new contract do not have to clean or they get paid.

WN has over 1,300 mechanics and they are hiring as they are bringing work in-house everyday.

At CO F/As do not clean either.

 

[linemech]

If work rule changes can also be modified to a "median" of the LCC, then I would like to see what they would look like.

Up to this point all the labor groups have seen is what management has cherry picked from any LCC they choose and I am sure that is what the BK court is also going to see after labor is forced to "negotiate".


linemech.

 

[High Iron]

4000 mechs/279 aircraft U

More like 3400 and shrinking.

1000 mechs/400 aircraft at LUV. START THERE!!!!!!!!!!

It's much more than a thousand there, snappy. 1500+ and growing.

In any case, it's not like WN doesn't pay for the portion of heavy mtc they don't outsource.

 

[linemech]

U should also do a median figure on the headcount/aircraft.
4000 mechs/279 aircraft U
1000 mechs/400 aircraft at LUV. START THERE!!!!!!!!!!
No cleaners at most LCC'S etc. etc.
F/A's clean at the LCC's
this would be my suggestion.

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This would be my suggestion, recheck your numbers. START THERE!!!!!!!!!!

It is always easiest to solve the problems of any business when one can change the numbers to suit the situation.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't "suggest" giving up your job, although you may have already done so, thus the entusiastic "suggestion" that others should do the same and somehow make you feel better.


linemech.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Linemech,


You Sir are spot on !!!

I bristle when I hear a pilot , due to no fault of his/her actual own , that does not get utilized to his/her full extent because of shear stupidity in our airlines scheduling lash out at others on the property.

U problems are not what anyone in labor is paid...but how they and the organic assets are utilized within a given period of time.

Pilots that sit on reserve un or under-utilized due to scheduling is stupid...as is F/A's in an alike situation.

Flight Crews sitting for hours between flights is a miscalculation in utilization as well...but we have to be smart enough to accept and address whom is doing the scheduling. For those in the dark still....it isn't anyone in organized labor building this house of straw, we just get the wrath of the self-created problems from this management and we are expected to underwrite these blunders with either our wages , benefits or our very jobs.

With that said...and they still expect labor to drop it's trousers and have at us again , when nothing tangible has really changed since the first BK filing beyond the number of people still working here for far less already.

To date...I have seen volumes written about labors part in saving U....and that figure is to the tune of $800 Million.

To date...I have not seen a figure or a finger pointed as to where or whom will be taking the bite for the remaining amount of the needed $1.5 Billion that they claim to need to save this company. When all you hear and see is leveled at only labor..this continues to undermine the faith of the laboring groups...as well as build their collective anger toward what is being asked of them.

I want to see what U Management is going to give in terms of real dollar amounts..and headcount losses too. I also want to see where the remaining balance of the $1.5 Billion is coming from....Cuz if we don't see it all in black and white? , rest assured that more will be asked of those whom can't least stomach it and survive.

 

[sfb]

The airline's CEO, Bruce Lakefield, says he will not receive such a package. His $425,000 salary is already pegged to the median salaries of CEOs at AirTran, America West, JetBlue and Southwest, according to US Airways."

They claim this but it's decidedly not the truth:

LUV: James F. Parker, 2003 salary $330,773
AWA: W. Douglas Parker, 2003 salary $550,000
JBLU: David Neeleman, 2003 salary $200,000
AAI: Joseph B. Leonard, 2003 salary $400,000

While these gentlemen received bonuses as well, their companies were profitable. The median salary in this case would be the average of the middle two (Jim Parker & Joe Leonard), giving a median salary of $365,000. Even the average is only $370,000.

Probably every labor group aside from the mechanics would see a pay increase if they offered to accept the LUV contracts. Actually, the mechanics would, too, but most of them would lose their jobs, unfortunately.

 

[mrfish3726]

No cleaners at most LCC'S etc. etc.
F/A's clean at the LCC's
this would be my suggestion.

F9 has their own cleaners, except at our destinations outside of DEN. We have our own in house maintenance, only thing under contract is the Live TV. And our F/A's don't have cleaning duties.

 

[dbcooper]

CWA, IAM-FS and AFA........you may best try to get a "LCC median" contract or proposal out there. IAM-M and related, I do not know what to suggest since the company wants to eliminate utility,stores,ground maint. and heavy maint...but the IAM is being derilect in not talking to the company in behalf of fleet service.