kirkpatrick
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Attrition for May was 50. In addition, 17 more TWA FA's retired from the furlough list.
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What about the 20+ TWA folks who did not accept or respond to recall? Where do their numbers come into the equation.
jimntx
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AFAIK, they are NOT counted in the attrition rate because they are not on the payroll. I don't think that the former TW f/as who retire from furlough are included in the retirement attrition count. Their names are posted on the website if they so wish, but they are not counted.
Attrition rate applies only to f/as currently employed (or employed as of the previous month...
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Attrition rate applies only to f/as currently employed (or employed as of the previous month...
).AFAIK, they are NOT counted in the attrition rate because they are not on the payroll. I don't think that the former TW f/as who retire from furlough are included in the retirement attrition count. Their names are posted on the website if they so wish, but they are not counted.
Attrition rate applies only to f/as currently employed (or employed as of the previous month...
Thanks!
jimntx
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Just FYI...
They have never posted the "official" attrition rate for May on the Flight Service website. They did, however, put a notice on that webpage, that it would not get done any time soon. The attrition rate is not "critical" information--translated into the English as "of no interest to any except flight attendants; therefore, not important"--therefore, not of any urgency for someone to take time from their important duties to do.
They have never posted the "official" attrition rate for May on the Flight Service website. They did, however, put a notice on that webpage, that it would not get done any time soon. The attrition rate is not "critical" information--translated into the English as "of no interest to any except flight attendants; therefore, not important"--therefore, not of any urgency for someone to take time from their important duties to do.
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Yes; the last class started Jun 25. The answer would take a bit of research as the info has not been made public. I know of one person who was on a medical leave when furloughed and had to accept recall and be assigned a base, but will definitely not be flying. There could be others as well.
There were 17 in the first group and 34 in the second. I'll fish around for the numbers in the third and fourth groups and that will at least give us how many went through training.
One thing I'm certain of: The number who actually step onto an airplane on 7/24 will be smaller than the number of active FA's who quit or retire between May 1 and July 24. I don't think anyone, company or union, is pretending there is still any overage in the system. The shortage is reaching critical proportions and something has to happen soon. I've gotten my passport renewed and plotted the course on Google Maps. I'm ready to go.
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There were 17 in the first group and 34 in the second. I'll fish around for the numbers in the third and fourth groups and that will at least give us how many went through training.
One thing I'm certain of: The number who actually step onto an airplane on 7/24 will be smaller than the number of active FA's who quit or retire between May 1 and July 24. I don't think anyone, company or union, is pretending there is still any overage in the system. The shortage is reaching critical proportions and something has to happen soon. I've gotten my passport renewed and plotted the course on Google Maps. I'm ready to go.
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I've been keeping close to things through a couple of friends who are now in training, and it appears there were a few bugs that needed to be worked out. Getting access to the OnBoard system, arranging travel for fingerprints and medical, background checks, etc. I know one unfortunate soul who was told there were no seats from TPA to MIA, so she paid full fare to get there, only to go though the same thing a week later for her medical exam! Six hundred bucks she'll never see again. Fine tuning the whole system should make it easier for future recalls.
I notice I'm not even saying if anymore. Instructors have told trainees there will be more recalls; it's just that no one has come up with any numbers or dates.
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I notice I'm not even saying if anymore. Instructors have told trainees there will be more recalls; it's just that no one has come up with any numbers or dates.
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That was pretty quick. Someone in the training department responded that the first class was 17, the second 32, the third 28 and the fourth 50. That's 127 of the 146 who accepted recall of 202 letters sent out, or 63% of those sent letters who actually went to training. It's assumed the others will be on medical leave.
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jimntx
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There are those who say that this will be the only recall, and it is just for PR sake. However, I agree with you that there will be more recalls. How many? Haven't a clue.
But, we have lost almost as many people as are coming back just since the recall was announced. Rumors are fast and furious that a number of the very senior f/as who will be hurt most by staying too much longer (due to the RPA pay rates) are going to begin retiring in larger numbers starting this summer. We'll see.
In addition, more and more junior people are quitting because they can no longer fly high time which makes the job affordable. When you have a base like SLT where 25% of the base is either on reserve or on availability every month, that is too many people chasing after too few 5 hour turns. I flew within the past week with two people on reserve this month who were done for the month with less than 65 hours.
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The problem with that argument is, who is the PR for? It's not like the whole world hates AA because they furloughed some people. Nobody knows and nobody cares, which isn't unusual. We have thousands fighting overseas whose plight is much worse than ours is.
I keep hearing this, and have seen the stats on the APFA website. But so far the attrition numbers aren't showing it.
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That's for damn sure.
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I keep hearing this rumor too, but if someone's best years were from 1999 to 2003, best 4 that is, they could work six more years after 2003 before they took a hit on the pension, so that means May 2009.
I hate to say it, but the MASS EXODUS that we have been hearing would happen might still be a few years off.
Some think the only reason they are doing any recalls at all is out of a CYA motivation for when they start hiring immediately after the last recalls expire. The CYA and PR motivation would be for those who would wish to sue AA, such as the furloughed FA's. As with all good rumors, it sounds logical so it could possibly be true.
2009 is the magical date that those who want to retire under old contract rates would need to retire. The problem is that, unless you really want out or you can't physically do the job anymore, most senior people aren't going anywhere. What many people fail to realize is that we have quite a few people flying 35-40 years who are only 54-60 years old. Most of those people run rings around the flight attendants half their age.
I totally believe that. I fly out of IDF and it is dog eat dog trying to get a trip. I transferred to Dallas to give myself a pay raise because the cost of living is cheaper and I make a lot less money because there are less trips out there. I finished my last reserve month with 65 hours only because I put myself on short call ready. Other people ended the month with 37 hours. It's hard to make a living as a flight attendant to begin with and even harder if you can't find any trips to fly.
