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Many of us who work in the industry have realized that a typical WN flight can be filled with just as many businessmen and women as trash. This is no-doubt due to the fact that Ma & Pa Kettle book the cheapest flight no matter the carrier, and WN (surprise!) is very often more expensive! (I fell out of my chair when I saw what WN's online discounted fare to from MCI to RDU was, one summer!)

Yet some people (in the industry!) refuse to believe this. They must not be cabin crew or they must sleep through every flight they commute on.

Here's a story to illustrate:

Last week, I was non-revving to DEN on an airline (not southwest!) and seated in the row behind me was the TEXTBOOK Ma & Pa Kettle lookalikes, right down to their shoes. It wouldn't have bothered me at all if they had kept to themselves, but I wasn't prepared for their behavior later. First, they talked LOUDLY so that everyone within six rows could hear their inane banter. They were in their sixties, and from what I could hear (everything!) it was obvious that flying was something they didn't do very often. your typical "dammn, what a purty plane." "whut noise d'ya guessin that was?" and mindless small talk to the guy sitting next to them, "boy our drive up from branson sure was long!" (not making any of this up.) I wouldn't have minded any of that if they hadn't practically screamed it to everyone within earshot.

So we were above 10,000 and suddenly I feel a jarring that could only have come from the row behind me. Apparently, a gentleman from a couple sitting next to me (also in their sixties) had attempted to recline his seatback, which was met with force from Pa Kettle. He tried it again and the same thing happened. The guy whirled around to see what the problem was. The conversation went something like this:

Guy: "Excuse me?"

Pa: "You can't recline into me, there's no room for my knees"

Guy: "I'm just trying to take a nap...!"

Pa: "Well go lay down in the aisle then if you want to get some sleep, but I'm 6'2" and that's not gonna happen"

At this point the gentleman's wife, incredulous, spoke up: "Well, my husband's just as tall and he doesn't seem to be having a problem!"

The gentleman, pride still apparently intact, decided to let cooler heads prevail and hushed up his wife. They were both pretty pi$$ed, and I could still hear her seething, but the guy told her he didn't want any more made of it (apparently seeing the pointlessness) and tried to sleep anyway. I felt bad for them, too, and I decided to make small talk with her a little later. She was super sweet to me, and apparently was an ex-Continental F/A!

Anyway, this entire experience made me wonder just how often this happens. I am a new F/A, but I have never (yet) witnessed a war over a seatback?
What right does someone (no matter how tall) have over someone else's recline? Neither party ended up bringing this to the cabin crews attention, but I wonder, what if they had...perhaps this is more common than we realize because it is never made into an issue, yet surely it still ruins someone's flight.

I apologized to the couple and hoped their vacation went great. I said I hoped their connecting flight was better than their first.

- astra
 
Anyway, this entire experience made me wonder just how often this happens. I am a new F/A, but I have never (yet) witnessed a war over a seatback?

Are you serious? I see incidents like this happen failry often. If you haven't witnessed this before then you're spending too much time reading the magazine or doing the crossword (ofcourse what else is there to do for a F/A these days?) 🙄

What right does someone (no matter how tall) have over someone else's recline? Neither party ended up bringing this to the cabin crews attention, but I wonder, what if they had...perhaps this is more common than we realize because it is never made into an issue, yet surely it still ruins someone's flight.

What right does somebody have to recline into somebody elses' knees/lap? It's a 2-way street. Either the stronger person wins (uses knees to block the recline) or the wuss gives up (stops trying to recline).

IMHO there isn't too much the flight crew could have done (move one of the couples to a different seat or ask the 'blocker' to be somewhat considerate).
 
I usually don't recline unless either:

A: Person in front of me reclines onto me
B: Seat behind me is vacant. But since I usually get windows, this is most rare.
C: Person seated behind me is a small child, and doesn't need the extra leg space.
 
Bottom line: If you are in a seat that reclines, you have every right to use that feature and recline that whopping three or so inches. End of story.

(Like the original post said, this obviously was NOT on WN. They don't squeeze you in the way many others do. Decent seat pitch, especially in the 73Gs.)
 
When I non-rev I do not recline the seat unless there is an empty seat behind me. But I do believe that there should be some rules to go by when reclining, at least recline your seat slowly if the one behind you is occupied. I am 6'4" and have had the person in front of me slam back in their seat like they are in their living room, it can make for some tense moments....
 
Several Observations if I may:

1. SWA sells the highest percentage of full fare refundable tickets of any domestic carrier.

2. Ignorance and bad behavior know no economic boundaries.

3. Common Courtesy is no longer common and airlines/airplanes seem to bring out the worst in people.

4. A business traveler can be just as big a jackass as a liesure traveler.

5. Items 2 through 4 are usually more evident when you fly carriers that over promise and under deliver.

6. On some routes that SWA flys the customers are filthy rich, but the planes aren't filthy.

7. You don't need a law degree to comprehend SWA's fare rules.

One more, since you haven't flown them. For the "non-elite" coach passenger, Southwest has more seat pitch than any other.
 
Odd isn't it that those old low cost carriers have better coach room that US? I can hardly wait for my next JetBlue flight...just as soon as they stop overflying the middle of the US.

sky high states: Odd how I pointed out how you were...uhhh, errr....WRONG again, yet you spin this into a US thread, yet AGAIN. Jetblue, old?....nah, the only thing OLD is your expected response. LOL.

only stating opinions
 
sky high states: Odd how I pointed out how you were...uhhh, errr....WRONG again, yet you spin this into a US thread, yet AGAIN. Jetblue, old?....nah, the only thing OLD is your expected response. LOL.

only stating opinions
Skyhigh....I was wrong. Sorry...Jetblue slipped my mind because it is VERY difficult for me to fly them. But....If I want better pitch than US, I guess I can fly Southwest to Orlando, get a Jetblue flight to New York and points wherever.
 

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