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In other words, it's labor's fault we're in this predicament, once again. This coming from management naturally, where the NON LABOR casm is now just north of 7.5, in spite of just coming out of Ch 11. Are you ever going to address this, or are you just hoping that the employees eventually work for free, to get down to a cost where you think you can compete? I guess the almost $100 million in pay/productivity you get EVERY month from the employees just isn't cutting it.Hawk said:Most employees understand that WN has put the company in a capricious position where we must make changes to remain competitive. The labor groups must allow the company to reduce its costs.........The name-calling and criticism of this management team must end.
Call me cynical but, weren't you given these tools in bankruptcy? After two rounds of employee concessions you still don't have the tools needed to be competitive?Hawk said:Each employee should decide if they are willing to give us the needed tools to restructure the company in a competitive manner.
It is time for every employee to make a commitment that they are willing to work with this management team. The name-calling and criticism of this management team must end.
You're right - passengers will figure out sooner than some other airline employees that there are far more nonstop/one stop with change of planes in the Southwest system than there are 3 stops. How many stops BWI-LAX on SWA...why I do believe I see some big old "goose eggs" in the number of stops. And I see 6 one stops with a change... You think they are going to route someone from PHL to MCO/MCI/ABQ/PHX/LAX? I don't think so.Colby said:Hey guys....
It won't take long for PAX to realize that they are going to have to make 3 stops to get to their final destination and here we go....Would you rather stop 3 times or get to your destination.....
Are you proud of this?deelmakur said:"It's the yields, stupid". You finish U off and open up virtually every good sized market on the East Coast. Take a look at the license plates in airport lots like PVD and BWI. People will drive a hundred miles for a cheap fare. WN arrives in PHL, and drives a stake through the heart of U's recovery plan, which is already sputtering. Heavy use of commuter planes eliminates the differences between full service and LCC (which has already happened with the virtual elimination of any semblance of inflight service), so they just cherry pick the bread and butter routes, and watch the place implode. In business, unfortunately, there are rarely back doors. You have to go out the way you came in...and that's tough when somebody blocks the door. This is less about Philly, and more about creating larger opportunities for themselves.
Hello! do you really believe that flying overseas is cheap the costs alone to operate in a foreign European country will not make it finanically feasiable to really compete not only with the major the US carriers but the foreign airlines like Virgin, Brithish Airways, Air france, Luthanasa and the others that have their governments backing their operations.7.5victim said:As for additional revenue from Int'l services, whats stopping a LCC from using the open skies agreements to start Int'l service? I could very easily see FL leasing a few used 767-200's and running them out of BWI to Europe. BWI-AMS, anyone? Max. walkup fare of say, $499 each way, a business class cabin for $699 each way, unsold J seats available for $150 fee from any fare on day of travel (similar to FL's current domestic upgrade program). In some form, the legacy carrers will face an Int'l LCC, sooner rather than later, mark my words!
Hawk,Hawk said:Most employees understand that WN has put the company in a capricious position where we must make changes to remain competitive. The labor groups must allow the company to reduce its costs. The LCC’s continue to put pressure on the company with their lower labor costs and productivity. Our labor work rules are antiquated. The efficiency in how well we work together is vital. Blaming who is at fault will not benefit anyone within the company. Joining forces to battle the competition is essential for our prosperity. The majority of the employees are willing to work with this management team. I challenge the naysayers to work with the company. Your decision will control the future of this company.
Each employee should decide if they are willing to give us the needed tools to restructure the company in a competitive manner. Reducing costs will be required in all areas of the company. Management or Labor should not be blamed. The CASM data paints a clear picture that every employee should understand that we must take the appropriate action. It is time for every employee to make a commitment that they are willing to work with this management team. The name-calling and criticism of this management team must end. We must engage the competition versus each other. US Airways’ will prevail in the end.
Well you didn't have it quite right, through no fault of your own. US Airways is now reporting its casm not including fuel and special items, unlike everyone else, to make it look better at a quick glance. The real casm including fuel (not certain if including special items) is just under 11. I have read that USA's labor casm as a percentage of total is about 31% compared to SWA's 34%.bwipilot said:Last I checked WN had labor cost of 2.9 CASM. The last number I saw for US total CASM was 9.5.