Lets Give The Iam A Pay Cut!

[Rico]

And what does that accomplish?

You can't attend meetings.
You can't vote for Officers, Greivance Committee or Shop Steward.
You can't hold an office.
You can't vote on a contract or strike.
You become a non-member agency fee payer.

Yep you really accomplish alot for saving $7 a month.

[post="240456"][/post]​

Well, you seem willing to put the entire company out of business to "make a point", why should you care if your members want to make their own useless gesture towards the IAM...?

 

[700UW]

Where have I ever said I want to put the entire company out of business?

Keep looking for it because you won't find it.

And the great thing about the IAM is I got to cast my vote as I see fit, I won't be responsible unlike yourself for dragging the standards lower and lower like the ALPA GAG has done.

 

[roadtrip]

seems 700 might be nervous in losing and intl job not his us one

 

[diogenes]

And what does that accomplish?

You can't attend meetings.
You can't vote for Officers, Greivance Committee or Shop Steward.
You can't hold an office.
You can't vote on a contract or strike.
You become a non-member agency fee payer.

Yep you really accomplish alot for saving $7 a month.

[post="240456"][/post]​

If your local is six hours up the road, you can't do most of that, anyway.

 

[AP Tech]

1. Meetings? What gets accomplished?

2. Voting? Most do not want the jobs anyway!!!!! My department nobody really
wanted the job. Management just laughs at them anymore!!! Might as well
file any greviences in the trash as I am sure that process is gone with the
proposal.

3. Not a chance for the national offices!!!

4. Voting on a contract or strike...now thats a good one.....we just had a proposal
jammed down our throats!!! :down: And if it goes any other than what the
company wishes, what does the union do???? VOTE OVER!!!

5. Bottom line an extra $7 a month, the only raise we will be seeing for the next
couple of years :down:

 

[RICflyer]

5. Bottom line an extra $7 a month, the only raise we will be seeing for the next
couple of years :down:

[post="240479"][/post]​

I think this is a true comment. I am not an employee but I have to say the IAM looks bad compared to the other unions who at least came to an agreement with the company. The IAM leadership comes across to us outsiders as a bunch of spoiled kids. Just my thoughts from the outside world.

 

[openview]

seems the concession stand was only open for dues collection and somehow missed the negotiation season

 

[insp89]

Where have I ever said I want to put the entire company out of business?

Keep looking for it because you won't find it.

And the great thing about the IAM is I got to cast my vote as I see fit, I won't be responsible unlike yourself for dragging the standards lower and lower like the ALPA GAG has done.

[post="240475"][/post]​

.......Yeah, Sometimes the IAM allows you to vote TWICE on the exact same proposal....[But only if the first vote didn't go the way the IAM fat cats wanted it to].

 

[Imamec.itsmyfault]

7 bucks a month, is $84.00 a year, seems worth giving up a few worthless options to me!

 

[Bob Owens]

"Lose your rights as a member???? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

What rights?

To not be able to vote for another union?

To vote for anything, without a cardboard box being involved?

To be able to speak up, without being shouted down?

To be able to have a say in how the union is run, without being a member of the national?

The IAM is NOT about being a member, it's about being a DUES PAYER!!!!

[post="240379"][/post]​

You would still be allowed to vote for a change in representation but not on any Local issues. You still have the right to file grievances and get representation.

Your right to vote on contracts has been compromised anyway, proof of that was the first round of concessions when the mechanics voted NO, were then threatened, and told to vote again.

Everything that they threatened would happen if you did not vote YES has happened anyway.

 

[Bob Owens]

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Chip;
Can you guarantee that USAIR will survive if the mechanics vote YES and how can you say for sure that the company will not if they vote NO? The fact is its out of the mechanics hands either way. With a YES vote you are saying that you trust management so much that you are willing to take from your family and give to Dave and TPG in the hopes that you dont have to start over somewhere else. You are saying that pay is not important and I come here as a hobby. If you can pay me fine, if not that OK too. If you vote NO you are saying, I'm a professional and I get paid for what I do. I'm worth every penny because for every penny you pay me I help you make thousands more.Cant pay me, then shut down, someone will buy these airplanes and fly these routes and when they do they will need someone to fix them. Which position warrants more respect?
If they vote yes, productivity will decline and more than likely the carrier will survive just long enough to lower wages throughout the industry, like Pan AM. By maintaining the wage through hard times they are more likely to get productivity improvements like SWA.