Justify Syria

I think we would be extremely foolish to become directly involved in the situation in Syria. For centuries the Middle East has been a quagmire of tribal disputes, warring factions, murky alliances, ulterior motives, and other violent behavior all wrapped up in (and often justified and sanctioned by) religious squabbles and differences. Most people that I know with any experience in that part of the world say that the mindset there is something that confounds our concept of common sense; and history has proven many times over that when outsiders (British, French, Russians, and now the US)get sucked into these conflicts, regardless of intentions, it usually ends badly for them and changes nothing.

We are often drawn into these situations due to the "humanitarian crisis" created by the fighting. I have compassion for the innocent victims caught in the middle, but this is reminiscent of the situation in Somalia in the early '90s...months and months of media images of starving refugees and desperate pleas for the US to provide food and medical services. We finally did intervene, and of course our military was the obvious organization with the logistical and secrity resources to do the job. But we and the UN walked into the middle of a vicious civil war among multiple shadowy factions (Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden among them) that put our troops in the crosshairs. When we left, bodybags and all, what had we achieved? Twenty years later, the country is still in shambles. I even heard that when "Blackhawk Down" was shown in that country years later, the audiences cheered when our troops were killed. If you think I am willing to put my children, or anyone elses, at risk for those people, you can forget it; part of my humanity has been hardened by these events. And what soldier wants to die for a miserable place they don't want to be and care nothing about, while their enemy you can hardly identify and who has a fanatical devotion to win at all costs? Militarily it is a losing proposition.

What concerns me now is that the Obama Adminstration is threatening unilateral military action, without congressional or UN backing (not that the UN carries any legitimacy in my mind), in support of people we seem to know little about. I recall that we were led into Iraq by an Iraqi (his name escapes me) whose information and legitimacy came into question after we were committed; he was later exposed to be using our power for his own agenda. We have also had our airpower assets used in Afghanistan, directed to targets supplied by local informants, only to discover we had spent millions of taxpayer dollars to help the "Hatfields" beat up on the "McCoys". Libya is still not stabilized, and serious questions remain about the attack in Benghazi; Egypt could be in a state of civil conflict for years to come; the president of Turkey is an Islamist who talks openly of a new Caliphate, and despises the particular clan that Syrian president Assad hails from; Iraq is still unstable, is wracked with violence, and may eventually come under the influence of Iran (as is Syria); there are many forces in the region trying to undermine established governments in other countries (Jordan and Lebanon, among others); and who knows what other surprises lurk beneath the surface. I think our leaders are either ignorant or truely believe that our involvement somehow carries weight; they are even using rhetoric similar to that of the previous adminstration on the eve of the invasion of Iraq, and are going in the face of opposition from China and Russia, who will likely be covertly involved on the other side and will work to thwart our efforts for their own reasons. I fear it could blow up in our faces; and if I were an Israeli, I'd be quite nervous about developments in my neighborhood right now.
 
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F##K Syria! WMD didn't work for Bush and Obama is going down that path to justify HIS stupid war without cause. Let us not believe the WMD crap and let Syria handle its own affairs. Otherwise dealing with Iran and Hezbollah cannot use Bush as an excuse to what will come.

The Axis of Evil is now on the Obama plate and the outcome is that there are too many blind Bush haters to care!!!
 
F##K Syria! WMD didn't work for Bush and Obama is going down that path to justify HIS stupid war without cause. Let us not believe the WMD crap and let Syria handle its own affairs. Otherwise dealing with Iran and Hezbollah cannot use Bush as an excuse to what will come.

The Axis of Evil is now on the Obama plate and the outcome is that there are too many blind Bush haters to care!!!
I'm not a blind Bush hater...my eyes are wide open. If Obama takes military action in Syria, I will no longer support him. I won't become republican....I won't post "Obama sucks" posts, but I'll be just as antiwar with Obama's war as I was with Bush's war. I don't give a #### if they all gas each other...There is no "good guys" in that mess...we are hated by both sides. I could care less if your kid is dying from a gas attack if I come in to eliminate the problem, only to have YOU call me the "great satan". If you don't like me, #### you. Deal with it yourself.

Ever notice how our "friends", the Saudi's always manage to keep their hands clean when it comes to unrest in their part of the world? They just pay us oil whores to come in and do their dirty work for them. It's time for the Saudi's to man up, or face dealing with gas attacks on THEIR soil. If Obama sends even one US troop or fires even one US missile at Syria, then he will only show that he learned absolutely NOTHING from the Bush years.
 
I'm not a blind Bush hater...my eyes are wide open. If Obama takes military action in Syria, I will no longer support him. I won't become republican....I won't post "Obama sucks" posts, but I'll be just as antiwar with Obama's war as I was with Bush's war. I don't give a #### if they all gas each other...There is no "good guys" in that mess...we are hated by both sides. I could care less if your kid is dying from a gas attack if I come in to eliminate the problem, only to have YOU call me the "great satan". If you don't like me, #### you. Deal with it yourself.

Ever notice how our "friends", the Saudi's always manage to keep their hands clean when it comes to unrest in their part of the world? They just pay us oil whores to come in and do their dirty work for them. It's time for the Saudi's to man up, or face dealing with gas attacks on THEIR soil. If Obama sends even one US troop or fires even one US missile at Syria, then he will only show that he learned absolutely NOTHING from the Bush years.

Saudis and most ME F##KS hate us and I have no arguments when Saudis and other oil FU## a$$HOLES think they control US!
 
What wold be the advantage for the US to be involved in yet another civil war in a country where the people do not like the US?

Wasn't BaRack suppose to be singing this, with the Islamic peeps, by now ?

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Indeed they were. Reagan made damn sure that he sent REAL WMD's to Saddam.

I don't think it was Reagan. From what I have read it was the Russians who were supplying the Syrians. We were supplying the Iranians under the Shah prior to Reagan.
 
I don't think it was Reagan. From what I have read it was the Russians who were supplying the Syrians. We were supplying the Iranians under the Shah prior to Reagan.

Tree....humor the righties....they say that the Syrian gas was Saddams gas. Where did Saddam get that gas....hint, it wasn't at Taco Bell.
 
Actually good points from both sides here(FOR a CHANGE).
For ME it's
A. If he is Unquestionably GASSING his people, then announce to the world, that IF he doesn't not Stop that particuliar thing, Tell the MFer exactly which city(Alleppo anyone) is going to be LEVELED, after Plenty of time is given to the masses to EVACUATE, then let the "target practice" from say the SSBN Wyoming cuts loose...500 miles away underwater.

B. Now Alleppo is flat as a pancake, and the dirty bas-tard still continues,........then move on to Damascus and so forth, until he stops.

Before ANYONE says I'm Wrong with 'that approach,...I'll suggest Hiroshima then Nagasaki, or visa-versa. If I remember correctly Japan did not surrender/Stop after the First "LEVELING",.....but Alas....DID after the second Leveling !


One addition thing. DO NOT Broadcast to ANYONE, not cnn..not msnbc...not FOX...that 2 Subs left the east coast from say Kings Bay Georgia, and Groton CT. If they're in International Waters, NO one will know Where exactly they are, and NO ONE can do anything about it. Only tell the people to 'get-the F-out-of (say ALLEPPO) and make Sure EVERY Muslim contact (to Syria, be it here, london or syria) is totally aware that we're DEAD serious. Trust me, 'SAID' will make sure he hires a donkey cart to get his 90 year old mother out of harms way !

A CLEAN surgical strike that will works. The expense ?.........Money to replace the Tomahawks . NO further expense needed !
 

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