June - IAM Fleet Service Discussion
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mike33
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Don't put words in my mouth cargo...I didn't use the word " Dissension "....you did. Its not about that at all......Its about the fact that there are too many P/T that don't care but still have a vote that they don't use. Down the road we will address this issue but for now we have to live with it. One Step At A Time!
So, in other words, we don't know how they would have voted if they cared.....could have been a wider spread also.
charlie Brown
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Just want to say thanks to all the brothers and sisters who took the time to vote yesterday here in clt. It's always a good feeling to see people care enough to make their voices be heard. When you are out there, and you see everyone coming out to vote, it makes you think that just maybe we can all figure out that we are fighting for the same thing. Thanks again clt!!!!
Harry Callahan
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Can't speak for other work area's but where I work they could care less. I think myself +2 others were all that voted.(Again my work area only & my shift.)
Harry,
Harry,
ograc
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You're right mike33 using the word dissension was probably incorrect. Divided may best describe the results so far. However, based on the turnouts so far membership apathy is apparent. Many stations voting are coming in or around 30% turnout. Finding a way to engage the membership for a common goal and reduce the apathy is IMO... paramount. Make no mistake about it... the company monitors these election results. They reveal a pretty accurate snapshot... regarding our group. What they see is high apathy with low turnout. Of the members engaged... the votes for their leadership is divided. These two factors have a profound and adverse impact on the leverage our negotiating committee has at the table. This applies to US and UA negotiating committees alike. Apathy and division are counter productive to the common good of the group as a whole. We need to fix these two issues in our house if we expect to make future gains.
ograc (aka cargo)
Apathy does sit strong with the members. I agree that if you engage the members you can beat apathy. Division is a harder battle. Opinions are stronger than the apathy. We have to agree to disagree sometimes and remember that we are all in the same boat. At the end of the day we all sit at the same table. Common goals are the keys.
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Membership Apathy has always and will be the biggest problem, and no one yet has been able to figure how to combat it.
Educate and involve the membership has to be undertaken and the infighting needs to be done behind closed doors, it just turns off the members.
Educate and involve the membership has to be undertaken and the infighting needs to be done behind closed doors, it just turns off the members.
Alleged Assault, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
http://web.archive.org/web/20070508104044/http://www.iam141.org/PDF/US%20Airways/Letter2.8.06AllegedPHLAssault2.14.06.pdf
Maybe if paying dues and union membership weren't compulsory the members you do have would be more interested and involved in the union. As it is now union membership is imposed on workers who are not interested in being represented.
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mike33
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Well, to say it is compulsory is easy. To explain why is the hard part if you are a non-believer. Maybe if those that don't believe in the concept of unionism were to experience the results of being and " At Will " employee, ( At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability), they may reconsider that the concept of union dues is like an insurance policy. The concept of non-compulsory would leave the work force more divided than bonded. IMO!
pjirish317
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ograc,
Who do you think divided the membership? For both US and UA? IMO, it was the LfP ticket for UA, and the occupy ticket for US. With a little bit of mixture for both on both sides. Do you really feel this was a productive way to engage the membership, by splitting a ticket 3 ways during such a curcial time for both US and UA? But for those with a political agenda, or an axe to grind, or just in if for the $$$$$$, it appears it was. IMO of course.
Perhaps, I've been an at will employee my entire career and never had any issue. I have good relationships with my superiors, work hard, and follow the company protocols. I am evaluated based on my performance and not given automatic raises stipulated by a collective bargaining agreement.
Josh
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First of all it is a know condition of employment before someone takes the job.
Second you can become a non-member, aka "dues objector" and only pay what's germane to the CBA.
Third I have worked in open shops, where you dont have to join the union and membership apathy still exists there too.
Fourth, why dont you ask anyone on this board who was fleet or customer service and see what US did to them in 1992 because they were non-union.
And you cant compare, financial work to the airlines, two totally different environments.
mike33
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Good for you Josh. So, are those raises guaranteed and something you can count on as you look to the future? Or maybe some of those raises were at the expense of some of those that didn't get any?
Or are you just that special exceptionally gifted employee?
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