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Joe Gordon to replace Gary Yingst

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Man of the People said:
Can this statement be proven?
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Yep. Thanks to a friend in ORD:

Code: 
AA000XXXXX YINGST,GARY			   TKTG-REQD/SEE N*FORM 426   
TRAVEL SUSPENDED					 DOM COACH FEE WAIVED /5YR/ 
BUS-A5B  A9-Y						CO SEN DATE-12/16/1985	 
TVLR NAME							PERS	AA20  OAL JUMPSEAT 
---- ------------------------------- ------- ----  --- -------- 
   X YINGST/GARY					 A5P	  N	 N		   
   X YINGST/CATHY					A5P	  N	 N
 
eolesen said:
Yep. Thanks to a friend in ORD:

Code: 
AA000XXXXX YINGST,GARY			   TKTG-REQD/SEE N*FORM 426   
TRAVEL SUSPENDED					 DOM COACH FEE WAIVED /5YR/ 
BUS-A5B  A9-Y						CO SEN DATE-12/16/1985	 
TVLR NAME							PERS	AA20  OAL JUMPSEAT 
---- ------------------------------- ------- ----  --- -------- 
   X YINGST/GARY					 A5P	  N	 N		   
   X YINGST/CATHY					A5P	  N	 N
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At leaset they didn't take his jumpseat ability away too. Oh, wait, AMTs don't ride jump seat.
 
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH said:
Am I reading this correct? TWU International officials are allowed to fly on A5 passes even for PERSONAL travel? What a bunch of B.S.!
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When you sellout the membership to the extent that Yingst did, you to can have positive space first class tickets anywhere you want to travel to.
 
TWU-GOTTA-GO said:
When you sellout the membership to the extent that Yingst did, you to can have positive space first class tickets anywhere you want to travel to.
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I guess all orgs have to have their elite with special rights.
 
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH said:
Am I reading this correct? TWU International officials are allowed to fly on A5 passes even for PERSONAL travel? What a bunch of B.S.!
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It's a long standing policy for union presidents and some number of their executive officers to get reserved space travel for both personal and business. Makes you want to run for office, eh?
 
eolesen said:
It's a long standing policy for union presidents and some number of their executive officers to get reserved space travel for both personal and business. Makes you want to run for office, eh?
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Unless the person running is running for office in Tulsa.
 
The placement of Joe Gordon to the top ATD spot is yet another example of how we have an undemocratic union. Once again we can count on having someone in place that could care less about the membership and be 100% loyal to the International AKA AA management alumni Jim Little.

Joe Gordon was voted out of office by his peers, the International removed him from the bag room and gave him an International position.

Would you pick somebody that you fired to be your boss? Thats basically what happened to TWU members with Jim Littles TWU. The membership fired Gordon so what does the TWU do? They promote him and put him in position above any elected officail in the TWU at AMR.

Does anyone out there actually think that Gordon will fight for the very same people who rejected him? In the TWU failure to lead is a prerequisite to promotion.
 
Bob Owens said:
The placement of Joe Gordon to the top ATD spot is yet another example of how we have an undemocratic union. Once again we can count on having someone in place that could care less about the membership and be 100% loyal to the International AKA AA management alumni Jim Little.

Joe Gordon was voted out of office by his peers, the International removed him from the bag room and gave him an International position.

Would you pick somebody that you fired to be your boss? Thats basically what happened to TWU members with Jim Littles TWU. The membership fired Gordon so what does the TWU do? They promote him and put him in position above any elected officail in the TWU at AMR.

Does anyone out there actually think that Gordon will fight for the very same people who rejected him? In the TWU failure to lead is a prerequisite to promotion.
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While the TWU leadership, without a doubt, is quite undemocratic and unaccountable as your example correctly points out, you have yet to promote anything any better than a group of amateur hacks that now represent a group of 500+ scabs (by definition) at Northworst Airlines. What does that make your association of choice?

Bring me an improvement over what we now have, not a downgrade.
 
The Goose said:
While the TWU leadership, without a doubt, is quite undemocratic and unaccountable as your example correctly points out, you have yet to promote anything any better than a group of amateur hacks that now represent a group of 500+ scabs (by definition) at Northworst Airlines. What does that make your association of choice?

Bring me an improvement over what we now have, not a downgrade.
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You obviously have not read all my posts. I'll promote any organization that offers us hope, even a reorganized TWU. Right now we have NO HOPE with those who are running the TWU.

As far as AMFA representing Scabs , thats the Law. The IAM, TWU, ALPA, AFA, APFA and even IBT did and would do the same. You leave out the fact that AMFA also represents the best paid mechanics in the Airline Industry and that the sucesses that they had in the past benifitted mechanics throughout the industry, but you are probably one of those who believes that he is lucky to have a job.
 
The Goose said:
While the TWU leadership, without a doubt, is quite undemocratic and unaccountable as your example correctly points out, you have yet to promote anything any better than a group of amateur hacks that now represent a group of 500+ scabs (by definition) at Northworst Airlines. What does that make your association of choice?

Bring me an improvement over what we now have, not a downgrade.
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How about letting the membership vote on who represents AMTs not only at the local level but the international level as well. That is an improvement. A rather simple one I might add. As long as people are appointed to the international level without being elected by the very people they are suppose to represent and protect there is no democracy.
 
Ken MacTiernan said:
How about letting the membership vote on who represents AMTs not only at the local level but the international level as well. That is an improvement. A rather simple one I might add. As long as people are appointed to the international level without being elected by the very people they are suppose to represent and protect there is no democracy.
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As I said to Bob, I agree completely. I don't like the idea of an unaccountable 'leadership'.

Evidently, Stewart and others attempted to do something about this years ago and were rebuffed; understandably so. Nobody likes to cede power - the TWU international, the US Congress and Senate or any individual or group whose collective ego(s), income, and sense of self worth depends on that power.

Yes - it's a rather simple fix - if allowed. I can't see that happening, but neither am I and others willing to trade one POS for another.
 
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