JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

For all of you Pension haters out there. Yes they're all terrible, just terrible.

This pension fund is now worth $1,000,000,000,000
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/19/investing/norway-pension-fund-trillion-dollars/index.html

 

[Albert]

Al, or any LUS, have any of you seen the health care costs for next year, and what is the run down, core, standard, value.? If it works like that for you guys.

For the best plan each provide and being a single guy the actual monthly rate is lower for the AA plan. fortunately for you it's a company plan so you can't be denied despite you history of electrocutions and communicable diseases

 

[wings396]

Al, or any LUS, have any of you seen the health care costs for next year, and what is the run down, core, standard, value.? If it works like that for you guys.

It's posted thru a link on myaa.com.
If you look at the LUS IAM PDF file you can do a side by side comparison. The Core plan Blows, plain and simple. My wife has a crappy plan available where she works, and her deductible and max out of pocket are less than half of the Core plan...

 

[bob@las-AA]

For the best plan each provide and being a single guy the actual monthly rate is lower for the AA plan. fortunately for you it's a company plan so you can't be denied despite you history of electrocutions and communicable diseases

Funny Al, take a pic of the booklet if you got one and post it.

 

[Albert]

Funny Al, take a pic of the booklet if you got one and post it.

Go to jetnet, I didn't receive the booklet yet

 

[737823]

That's a pretty bold statement there Joshie, given that you know nothing of me nor my background. I can assure you that when I got hired, that the bar was set a bit higher than it is today with what's coming thru the door. At that time the airline industry was a highly sought after job, and they could turn you away with no fear of any type of discrimination. I had to do a panel interview with the local Station manager along with 3 supervisors, one from each dept. IF you had any clue, you would know that's no longer the way things go.
You on the other hand, don't even work for the company, but continue to post your IAM hatred with a raging hard-on. Before the merger, you were bashing US non-stop, but have now become a TWU & IAM specialist, dropping names on a regular basis. I seem to recall that you were in the financial market, so you must have a strong link and interest to the company or the union for some odd reason.

I do seriously dislike the IAM and USAIR. Both have been a hindrance to AA and the company is getting worse and worse each day. USAIR back in the day was a polished carrier but since America West came into the fold it became a trashy barebones operation.

Represented (or unrepresented) jobs at AA remain highly sought after, they get 50+ applicants for each opening as people are drawn to the space available travel benefits even with a starting salary sub-$30k.

The hiring and screening process today has of course evolved, but the point still stands that after however many panel interviews you went through someone or a group of people made a collective, arbitrary, and highly subjective judgement in your favor. Panel interviews arent unqiue. My current job required six interviews, two case studies and a drawn out four month process.

Seems you are pleased enough to stick around all this time and as you said before you ultimately returned after outsourcing and a subsequent prolonged furlough. I am genuinely glad there is now some stability and gains for employees who have been bartered in the last decade and a half, but you are really off base about healthcare. Turn on NPR, open a newspaper, read articles healthcare costs are a serious drain on all companies and especially the middle class.

People here often say the CBA and economic package should reflect the current and expected future profitability of the company, well healthcare by that standard has to also reflect the market. You seem to want 2008 type coverage/deductible/out of pocket maximumum, premiums, but also the pay rates and scope commensurate to the current state of the industry. Can't have your cake and eat it.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

For the best plan each provide and being a single guy the actual monthly rate is lower for the AA plan. fortunately for you it's a company plan so you can't be denied despite you history of electrocutions and communicable diseases

It's lower (out of paycheck) only for the top of the line Princess plan. The middle plan is more expensive. And looking at the cost all around for both sides, it's damn nice to be childless and not stuck with those costs. Ouch.

 

[Albert]

It's lower (out of paycheck) only for the top of the line Princess plan. The middle plan is more expensive. And looking at the cost all around for both sides, it's damn nice to be childless and not stuck with those costs. Ouch.

I always get the top plan even when it is probably better to get the middle plan. I like the piece of mind(in my mind anyway) and I can afford it.

 

[AANOTOK]

Am I the only one able to find the positive in the 2018 plan?

Last year in my Standard Plan I paid $850 for the deductible and a Max of $2000 out of pocket (NOT INCLUDING DEDUCTIBLE)

This year I will be paying $850 deductible and a Max of $2850 out of pocket (INCLUDING THE DEDUCTIBLE)

See, there you go, I'm getting a deal...no wait, no I'm not...wait, yes I am...hold on, yes...oops, nope...

I guess someone told someone $2850 out of pocket is $2850 out of pocket, regardless of wording!

 

[WeAAsles]

Am I the only one able to find the positive in the 2018 plan?

Last year in my Standard Plan I paid $850 for the deductible and a Max of $2000 out of pocket (NOT INCLUDING DEDUCTIBLE)

This year I will be paying $850 deductible and a Max of $2850 out of pocket (INCLUDING THE DEDUCTIBLE)

See, there you go, I'm getting a deal...no wait, no I'm not...wait, yes I am...hold on, yes...oops, nope...

I guess someone told someone $2850 out of pocket is $2850 out of pocket, regardless of wording!

Hey wait a minute AA I got to throw this back at you now then. I kinda recall you saying that the Medical costs wasn't going to be a big deal as a decider for you?

Forgetting the semantics and all but was I wrong?

 

[AANOTOK]

C'mon man, this was sarcasm and a joke...making fun how they make you think your getting something i.e "we will let you include your deductible now"...but to answer your question or satisfy your "want to know", no, Medical is not my NO.1 decider or even my NO.2.

 

[Albert]

C'mon man, this was sarcasm and a joke...making fun how they make you think your getting something i.e "we will let you include your deductible now"...but to answer your question or satisfy your "want to know", no, Medical is not my NO.1 decider or even my NO.2.

Well with your time and where you are it can't be scope. Maybe job function? I'm sure you're not thickheaded like the Weez and working bins when you don't have to be

 

[WeAAsles]

Well with your time and where you are it can't be scope. Maybe job function? I'm sure you're not thickheaded like the Weez and working bins when you don't have to be

Al you'll be happy to know I just started my new bid spot this Monday. "Mobile support/Push crew." No Bins or Bags. 10 week bid to rest my somewhat weary body. After that I go back (promptly) to being thick headed again.

 

[AANOTOK]

No Al, I don't plan on ever being in a bin again. I'm going on sixty, almost 35 years with the company, I'm going to take advantage of my seniority and try to save what's left of my body. As for my priorities, I would say Outsourcing is at the top. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the BK contract, AA wanted to outsource all the jobs that carried seniority, hoping to force us old folks out. I haven' put in 35 years just to end up back in the belly of an airplane. Secondly, scope followed closely by pay. I was fortunate to get hired in at a hub in my home state not to far from my hometown. I also have a heart and understand that folks want to go home, or stay home...I'm a family guy and I get that. I can't imagine having to pull roots and replant them some where else. I know folks could/do face that. And of course pay, while I'm not hurting, who doesn't want more money. Bottom line Al, I will have complete confidence that I did the right thing when I vote...No regrets!

 

[robbedagain]

Josh... I can tell you at least from an out city I know of at least a few new hires one of which used to work for FedEx quit after 2 weeks severe short staffing mgmt. issues as of the current pay scale its roughly 64k a year before taxes and not counting over time and swap pick ups If jobs were highly sought after then why is it like no one is wanting to come to AA? On the other hand LAA had crappy lousy customer service US had far better customer service and this comes from a number of the LAA folks I talk to on a weekly basis. With the airline making BILLIONS in PROFITS I don't see any reason why AA folks cant get say 35 an hr with maintaining all and grandfathering in all current mainline cities If mgmt. can have their cake and eat it too then in times like today the employes of AA should be able to as well Its far easier for someone like you to sit behind a desk and give out but its a whole world difference when youre at AA and doing the work and seeing what goes on etc